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but I suspect if pushed to chose they’d rather lose there player agency than have the player stabbed to death.
Well, as a player yes I'd prefer to lose agency than be stabbed to death :-).
But assuming you meant "character stabbed to death" I've seen players have their characters try to commit suicide when their characters lost agency.
I meant player :P
because an argument was being made that players dislike mind control because they dislike losing there agency and hence they must find it evil in character.
Hence I suggested surely they dislike being stabbed more, and therefore should find swords more abhorrent than mind control for there characters too.
It was kind of a joke to be honest.
and if you can't attack you can always help your buddies with painful stare.
Hey question, you know painful stare feats that make your stare sicken and such, can your buddies trigger those riders?
and if you can't attack you can always help your buddies with painful stare.
Hey question, you know painful stare feats that make your stare sicken and such, can your buddies trigger those riders?
Depends on the feat itself:
When a target takes damage from your painful stare,
When you trigger your painful stare,
Has anyone seen any options for a Mesmerist that give them a gaze attack that turns enemies to stone?
I meant player :P
because an argument was being made that players dislike mind control because they dislike losing there agency and hence they must find it evil in character.
Hence I suggested surely they dislike being stabbed more, and therefore should find swords more abhorrent than mind control for there characters too.
It was kind of a joke to be honest.
I think it comes down to playing the game.
If you get stabbed, that is part of the game, you are still playing. You roll up a new character and join in.If you lose your agency, you aren't playing the game anymore - your character effectively becomes an NPC (whether the GM wants you to play through the actions while being controlled or not) - so you interacting with the game in any meaningful way ceases.
That is the main reason I don't mind death of a character, as opposed to losing agency.
I meant player :P
because an argument was being made that players dislike mind control because they dislike losing there agency and hence they must find it evil in character.
Hence I suggested surely they dislike being stabbed more, and therefore should find swords more abhorrent than mind control for there characters too.
It was kind of a joke to be honest.
I think it comes down to playing the game.
If you get stabbed, that is part of the game, you are still playing. You roll up a new character and join in.If you lose your agency, you aren't playing the game anymore - your character effectively becomes an NPC (whether the GM wants you to play through the actions while being controlled or not) - so you interacting with the game in any meaningful way ceases.
That is the main reason I don't mind death of a character, as opposed to losing agency.
I have never ever seen anyone re-roll a new character mid game.
When a character dies in my experience that’s It session over maybe you bring a new one next session, or you might bank on your party winning the fight and resing you, in which case you’re sitting out the game you died then the next waiting to res.
It's mostly just "more different arcane casting" that requires a parallel but different set of mechanics and rules, just to do essentially the same things in the end. If we're going to have another different type of spellcasting with its own set of rules, I'd have preferred something more different and non-Vancian. I also agree with the people who don't like the idea of a "default campaign setting" (Golarion, Forgotten Realms) to which the contents of all new rulebooks must be appended, retconned, or shoehorned in somewhere.
But on the other hand, the ways in which psychic casting differ from arcane casting are very subtle, roughly on par with how divine casting differs from arcane casting, so it's not like these new rules are hard to understand or apply.
I mean, the difference between psychic and arcane are:
- Emotion components instead of somatic components, so you can cast while paralyzed, grappled, etc. but you can't cast while under an emotion effect.
- Thought components instead of verbal components, so you don't care about silence but concentration checks are harder.
- Expensive material components can be anything of equivalent value, there are no non-expensive material components.
- Undercasting- knowing the higher version of a spell automatically confers knowledge of the lower level ones.
If the psychic spellcasting rules were sprawling and complicated, and didn't fit in a couple of paragraphs people would be upset about that, I'm reasonably confident.
...Back to the original topic...
For me it boils down to style and theme. In my opinion, Dreamscarred Press's updated/expanded psionics line is so much better than the occult themed "psychic magic" from paizo.
For me it was the opposite. The themes from occult meshed quite well with d&d IMO. Summon ghosts? Heck yeah. Channel spirits? that goes way back to speaking in tongues and the Oracle of Delphi. Using items to channel magic? Yep.
Now Dreamscarred Press's "style and theme" always seemed more sci-fi, Star Wars 'force' powers. As such, it never quite seemed appropriate.
Sadly occult fell flat IMO with the execution while Dreamscarred Press made well made and easy to use classes. SO I'm stuck with either classes that match the "style and theme" or one's that are executed well. :P