HWalsh |
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a demon create a baby, a baby demon who born in middle of forest.
however the baby prophesied to bring the end of universe. you happened to be there. tasked to kill the baby.
what are you gonna do ?
kill baby to save the world. or save the baby.
In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...
In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.
Deadmanwalking |
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In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...
In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.
To reiterate, as several stories of fallen celestials and risen fiends demonstrate this is not strictly true in Golarion. At all.
Such situations are rare and often involve someone influencing the Outsider in question...but a baby seems like a situation tailor made to allow exactly that.
HWalsh |
HWalsh wrote:In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...
In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.
To reiterate, as several stories of fallen celestials and risen fiends demonstrate this is not strictly true in Golarion. At all.
Such situations are rare and often involve someone influencing the Outsider in question...but a baby seems like a situation tailor made to allow exactly that.
They require divine intervention. That's not a normal situation.
Jurassic Pratt |
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Deadmanwalking wrote:They require divine intervention. That's not a normal situation.HWalsh wrote:In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...
In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.
To reiterate, as several stories of fallen celestials and risen fiends demonstrate this is not strictly true in Golarion. At all.
Such situations are rare and often involve someone influencing the Outsider in question...but a baby seems like a situation tailor made to allow exactly that.
According to The Redemption Engine, no they actually don't.
It's an extremely rare occurrence for sure, but evil outsiders can change alignment.
PossibleCabbage |
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We're not told it's a baby demon, just that it's a baby that a demon made. Just like a non-owlbear Wizard can create an owlbear, a demon can create a non-demon.
In fact, since demons do not reproduce biologically, assuming the thing in the woods is "a baby" implies that it is not, in fact, a demon as there are no baby demons.
Deadmanwalking |
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They require divine intervention. That's not a normal situation.
Please read the whole thread, we've already had this argument. Cliff notes version:
1. Looking at what Desna actually did in that specific instance, I'm pretty sure non-deities can do every single thing she actually did.
2. As noted, The Redemption Engine includes a risen fiend with a very explicit backstory that does not involve deific intervention.
3. Nothing in the rules even implies that you need deific or even magical intervention to do this. All it says is that it's rare.