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Lol, and here I was thinking you were talking about what happened at the end of Astonishing X-Men or All-New Wolverine. Didn't see that coming, especially as I'm behind with reading as usual.

I also have to say, that I grow more and more weary regarding Legacy at this point of time. I seem to be one of those few that actually liked most of what happened in recent years and while I can get behind the idea of accomodating the more conservative part of the Marvel readership, I wouldn't like the thought that they just kill anyone that they invented in the meantime. See also Viv Vision (again, have to read up on that, but if they really have killed her, that would be a major bummer as far as I am concerned. They should rather kill original Vision for good, he is boring anyways.

Might be to soon and I'll have to wait on how that all develops, but if that's the direction they wanna go, I just might put my focus back at the Distinguished Competition, especially with Bendis having left to DC and persistent rumors about Hickman joining him


God I hope Hickman stays away from DC... Not because he's bad but it would just be bad FOR him.

As for Astonishing X-men, it wasn't THAT unexpected in my mind for...that to happen.

As for the all new Wolverine...I'm waiting for some confirmation before I worry about that point.


I would hate it too if they kill off or best case put the new characters in limbo. But reading that Hope Summers will show up in Cable soon makes me hope that it will not get too extreme. I dream about X-Men Blue becoming the next Exiles and regarding the sales of that they would be stupid to just stop the series.

And regarding the stuff that happended in the end of some issues last week I would be surprised if any of that stays so drastic. I read too much comics to think that they do not have a curveball coming^^


Low,

I'm sure they do have a curveball. But we'll see. As for Hope and maybe her starting off a kind of "Exiles"....I've heard worse ideas.

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I liked the first 2 incarnations, but the not the third.


Eh. The Third wasn't THAT bad.

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Has anyone checked out the March solicitations being reported this week?
Looks like Marvel is giving the axe to a whole bunch of titles.
Luke Cage… Canceled
Hawkeye… Canceled
America… Canceled
Generation X… Canceled (And a personal "Damn!" from me. I was enjoying this run...)
Iceman… Canceled
Defenders… Canceled (Actually just “ending” with Bendis leaving Marvel.)
Gwenpool… Canceled
Add those books to the announcement of Uncanny Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Inhuman Royals and Secret Warriors ending from last month. Looks like Marvel is really gunning to make some serious changes in 2018. *shrug*

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I stopped reading Luke Cage, Defenders, Gwenpool, Inhuman Royals after a few issues, never read Secret Warriors.
I still read the rest, although America was on the edge.
The ones I am going to miss most are Hawkeye and Uncanny Avengers.


Jessica Jones isn't being canceled, but with Bendis leaving, I'm not sure I'll keep following it. We'll see who picks it up.

Wasn't reading any of the canceled titles.

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Jessica Jones isn't being canceled, but with Bendis leaving, I'm not sure I'll keep following it. We'll see who picks it up.

As far as I know, they haven't officially announced who's picking up writing Jessica Jones.

*BUT* Bendis did let slip that "she" is amazing. So it looks like a woman is taking over the title. *shrug* Guess we'll see though.

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I've been reading and enjoying Hawkeye, and yet I'm also not too surprised it was cancelled -- the Kate Bishop researching her past as private eye thing seemed very specific, and I always kind of expected they'd end the story when that arc was done. Since this seems to be the Thing To Do with the Hawkeye books--end them, reboot on a new arc (I don't know why they can't be one volume but the cool kids don't do it that way no more), it doesn't even mean the end of Hawkeye. Just that it may start anew down the line, and be either about Clint or Kate or both. (My hope is both. With the exception of that utterly weirdo deformed child experiment story, I have really enjoyed the ones with both of them in it.)

I also kindddaa am glad it may mean Kelly Thompson is off it. I like a lot of Thompson's writing, but she tends to return-to-status quo way too easily and her writing gets a little too cutesy at times. Her writing has improved steadily over the years however, at least.

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thejeff wrote:
Jessica Jones isn't being canceled, but with Bendis leaving, I'm not sure I'll keep following it. We'll see who picks it up.

As far as I know, they haven't officially announced who's picking up writing Jessica Jones.

*BUT* Bendis did let slip that "she" is amazing. So it looks like a woman is taking over the title. *shrug* Guess we'll see though.

I remember Gail Simone mentioning vaguely a bit back on her Twitter that she had some really exciting stuff coming down the line. Dare I hope...? She would actually do really well with Jessica. She does anti-hero heroes very well, as well as acerbic wit.

Please note: this is not in any way any sort of suggestion that it is a fact that Gail Simone would be on this book. I am speculating/wishing entirely based on complete fluff.

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I was reading Uncanny Avengers regularly, and Royals and Secret Warriors on and off, but nothing else from that list.

I wish Generation X had a better group in it (not a fan of Eye Boy or Quentin or Chamber or VampireJubilee, would love to see Bling! better written and more of Nature Girl somewhere else). I wish America had succeeded brilliantly. Maybe next time around.


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Set,

I too am upset no more America but honestly not surprised at Gwenpool. It was...too niche for most people.

As for Jessica Jones, I do think someone else MIGHT take up the writing slack, but I think Defenders isn't DONE done yet as some might think. Regardless, I will miss Gen X (even if Set and I disagree about who the better mutants were.)

Guardians is ending because Gerry wanted to do a HUGE thing and he got it with Infinity Stones. So while we won't see the Guardians in their own comic, I doubt it's the end of Guardians...for now.

Uncanny Avengers was always on life support, especially after Standoff and then later on, Secret Empire.

So now that and probably Champions might fold into Avengers.

I'm still not happy to lose America, Hawkeye (Kate is the better Hawkeye.) Iceman...was always kind of up in the air since other than Wolverine, none of the X-men carried their own books very far.

Secret Warriors ending doesn't surprise me. It was a Secret Empire creation and with that out of the way...not much to hold the group together, honestly.

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I'm not at all surprised by the steady waves of cancellations coming regularly from the Marvel offices. They just publish way too much comics for most readers to consume and thereby spreadt their readership too much.

It's kinda like when Paizo started to publish several lines of products that I couldn't support all with my money (even if I would have liked to do that) with the difference that Paizo doesn't annoy the reader all the time with their Big crossover events where you suddenly have to decide to read up on series you ignored until then or to miss out on part of the events.

I kinda hate to say that because my favorite comic lines tend to be those that get cancelled because they are not mainstream enough, but on the other hand, I also hate to spend money on a supposedly ongoing series where I'm sure from the outset that it won't survive more than two years and most probably will have a rushed end because the axe fell at an inopportune time.

So in my mind, they should focus on their major heroes (Avengers, X-Men, Spider-Man etc.) with ongoing series and add to that with clearly defined mini-series where you know from the start when it will end. I'd probably spend more money overall on their comics this way than I do now when I have to support around 10 books alone just to get anything X-Men related.


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@ Jenner2057 : Uncanny Avengers may be back after the Avengers Crossover during the next months. The characters show up on the covers of that at last. So there is still hope. Sorry to see Hawkeye canceled but as DeathQuaker said, could be back in a new series as the last ones.

And America should have gone to someone more experencied with comics like Gillen for example. His writing made her a character I would like to read. Her first showing during Venegance and some comments of their creators about her not so much.


low,

Yeah it's kind of the same now that they've cancelled She-hulk...again...

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@ Jenner2057 : Uncanny Avengers may be back after the Avengers Crossover during the next months. The characters show up on the covers of that at last. So there is still hope.

I just read the final Uncanny Avengers (#30) last night and agree. It looks like the members of the Uncanny Avengers, USAvengers, and Occupy Avengers will all be joining the main Avengers team throughout January for the "Avengers: No Surrender" crossover. Will definitely have to check that out.

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I've been a reader of Dr. Strange ever since 1973. He's been "my" character in the Marvel Universe. I've followed him through a lot of crappy eras -- eye patches and despair magic, the Strange entity -- but I'll be the right foot of a demon of Denakif I've ever seen such a sad state as the current series. From the "all magic has a price, and Stephen long ago lost the ability to eat food" to the Empirikul wiping magic from Earth, to the awful issues with the Eye and Dormammu, ... and then finally to this issue, where Strange attempts to dress down the Vishanti.

They were right to call him on his arrogance, his recklessness, his pettiness. Barring some hint that something has taken over his mind or friend his personality, I no longer recognize the character. And I am at a loss for why anyone would want to follow his adventures.

So, now he's got a runestaff from the World Tree, and he's off to fight Loki for the previously-destroyed Cloak of Levitation. I really don't see this ending anywhere near well for him.


Chris,

This series has been all over the map no question. But I'm glad Yggdrasil is always willing to take a little life for the good of...something.

Also while I get the Vishanti's right to choose...I'm STILL not convinced they couldn't have done better with say, Magik or even Wiccan.

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Well, I'm way behind with reading up on Dr. Strange as usual, but I have to admit that I enjoyed the Last Days of Magic storyline. Maybe disappointment lies down the line, but apart from the artwork by Bachalo that I'm not too fond of, up until #13 (last issue I read), I generally liked the run quite a bit.

But then, I've never been the biggest Strange fan before and I haven't read much from his past, so maybe I'm just lacking any meaningful point of comparison.


Wormy,

I think it's more the latter than the former. Admittedly I didn't do much collecting of Strange either...but this story line didn't feel...all that great to me. I could be wrong!

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Might also have to do with that I really like storylines where they put the heroes through the wringer. I think they kinda did the same to Steven that they did to Cap America. Take away the supposedly most defining part of a hero and then let's see what he really is made of. Add to that that I'm a huge Jason Aaron fan resulting in that there's a lot to like for me in those comics.

I can understand where Chris is coming from though. I have been very dissapointed myself several times when they redefined some of my most favorite heroes (it's worse in music with me actually, if you*ve developed a style I'm really into you'd better not change that to avoid me going on a nerdrampage.)


Right now it seems as if not just Jean Grey is back but now Charles as X and Proteus! So yeah...bone-age might ensue.

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When did Proteus return?

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When did Proteus return?

Astonishing. Personally I'm hoping that X isn't Charles Xavier. I'd love it if X was Cassandra Nova and was just fooling the Shadow King

I'm hoping to see Gabby/Honey Badger survive if All New Wolverine is ending. I think the writer has done a good job of making Laura more than "Wolverine, with bewbs" and Gabby's cheerfulness and poking fun at tropes is great to read. Got to love "Honey Badger" :-)


Charles,

Like Matthew said, the fifth issue of the new run of Astonishing X-men.

X is and isn't Charles. At least...physically he's not actually Charles since whom ever it is has psychic control over Fantomex's physical body. Possibly even reshaping his facial feature but that's still unclear.

I'm also sure Gabby will survive mostly because there's still that unresolved plot about her killing Laura. But we'll see.

As for Jean, whelp they doubled down on the Jeans. Now we have older (in continuity) Jean Grey back but no Phoenix power. (Which kind of irks me but not enough to make a fuss about it. There's always Rachel...if they don't screw her over too.) And now younger Time displaced Jean is back from the White Hot Room too. So...yeah. It's even weirder than it was when the O5 came back BEFORE Scott and Jean died.

Also Ben Reilly's run as Scarlet Spider is still an open question but at least now the Slingers aren't actively trying to hunt him. Nor is Kaine. So there's that.

Mostly I'm annoyed by Orphans of X ending but I chalk it up to a) Laura not having vengeance in her heart and b) we've already seen the Wolverine kill lots of people.

What REALLY is irksome and annoying is Carol. I mean hey look there's an Infinity Stone/Gem. In fact one of the most powerful ones and even if Thanos in this reality isn't evil, why the hell do you let him keep it?!! Seriously Carol...dumb move!

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I gave up on Captain Marvel long before Civil War II was announced.


Charles,

REALLY?!! I mean I was unhappy with CW II...but I gave Carol some leeway in terms of I thought Kelly Sue Deconnick really pulling Carol back up into prominence. After that was...less so.

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Dan Slott is finishing his Amazing Spider-Man run to go work on Iron Man, and man what a crazy run that was. I had so many doubts when Superior Spider-Man was a thing, but I definitely ate my whole hat when it turned out to be most excellent.

I think in 20 years time people will look back at this run of Spider-Man with the same level of nostalgia and fondness as the Claremont run of the X-Men.


Well I'm not it will be THAT loved, but it's better than Bendis' run...

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Well I'm not it will be THAT loved, but it's better than Bendis' run...

Set an alarm for 20 years time and we will have to hash it out then. I was going to make a joke about that argument happening in some kind of futuristic virtual space, but honestly these messageboards will probably be the same in 20 years time as they were since time immemorial.


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I look forward to dueling with you in my rolling walker! ;)


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Well I'm not it will be THAT loved, but it's better than Bendis' run...

I have my issues with Bendis (anti-climactic endings, killing off characters and them randomly re-appearing later without much explanation of HOW and WHY they are back. He's done that last one twice to my knowledge, once with Hawkeye and once with Ultimate Peter Parker) but his Ultimate Spider-Man run is still (to me) one of the greatest runs in comics.


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I'm wondering what comic runs do people think are classic runs that they've actually read or read recently or have on hand TO read and is NOT clouded by nostalgia?


SHin,

Depends. I read a goodly portion of Walt Simonson's run when I was 8-9. I had to stop because I couldn't find a comic book store in Sutton Coldfield.


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SHin,

Depends. I read a goodly portion of Walt Simonson's run when I was 8-9. I had to stop because I couldn't find a comic book store in Sutton Coldfield.

On the occasion of Thor reaching issue 700, I've queued up rereading my Thor collection, so I'll probably be back up to Simonson in 6 months or so :)


Good deal. :)


So Jean Grey is back...and apparently trying to do more than her teenage counterpart about fixing the world. But apparently Cassandra Nova doesn't feel it.

Also Norman Osborn might be crazy, but he's not world killer. Too bad he chose the wrong symobiote...

Not sure how I feel about retconning in ANOTHER Elder just to give the GamesMaster a 'worthy opponent' But at least the Challenger is good about choosing his team.

Also I understand why Wilson wants to turn a fiasco into his own personal crusade...but you'd THINK he might have checked to see if MAYBE he should have given the NYPD some better backup...

The Prelude to Infinity Countdown seems to be on track...but no clear idea if the Magus is truly behind it...or someone else. (Still don't trust anyone with infinity stones/gems.)

FINALLY though, Jen Walters is back to regular She-hulk mode! Thank god! Or someone anyway.

The last chapter of Spirits of Vengeance goes off with a bang. Not sure it won't have some ramifications but apparently Heaven wants mortals to do the heavy lifting. Weirdos.

X-men Gold loses old Man Logan but apparently keeps Rachel as a Hound. I think. It's just too weird. But at least we got some resolved issues on who the new Pyro and Avalanche are... sort of.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
The last chapter of Spirits of Vengeance goes off with a bang. Not sure it won't have some ramifications but apparently Heaven wants mortals to do the heavy lifting. Weirdos.

I kind of thought the angel was going to say something like, 'We *did* do something. We arranged for you to be here to stop it. And in doing so, ensured that *we* didn't break the covenant by taking direct action...' Kind of a weird ending. I mainly got it for Daimon Hellstrom, who is an oddball favorite of mine, having seemingly been designed as a giant middle finger to the Comics Code Authority. :)


I like Daimon because he's almost John Constantine but also a little Etrigan too.


Random Marvel thoughts after a day of reading:

So while No Surrender MIGHT not have everyone, at least it's bringing back Banner for a bit. That and wolverine cameos. Plus you know, Black Order.

I was glad to see Mysterio get a little time in a Spider book.

G@@!+!it though Marvel, WHY bring back Ned Leeds unless you're going to have him replace Kinsgley again!

So Regenerix no only ups a healing factor, it gets rid of adamantium poisoning too! Bone claws Old Man Wolverine!

Old Man Hawkeye needs to have Kate Bishop to make this more fun.

Okay best moment though is clearly Loki and Doctor Strange. The fact they had to join up AND fight the Void, then have Loki tell them "I was doing it to prepare you for stuff!" Well it was good trick nonetheless. Also he fixed Magic. So kudos to you Loki! :) We'll see how Doctor Strange does without any assistants.

2 in 1 has some good moments, but honestly the Mad Thinker needs to get medicated again...heavily. YOU ARE NOT REED RICHARDS!

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
So while No Surrender MIGHT not have everyone, at least it's bringing back Banner for a bit. That and wolverine cameos. Plus you know, Black Order.

Full disclaimer: I'm not a huge follower of the Avengers. I'm far more of an X-Man fan. I did pick up "Time Runs Out" (and consider it fantastic) and followed Uncanny Avengers (due to the Rogue and Quicksilver crossover from X-Men).

That being said, I'm surprised at how much I'm finding myself enjoying "No Surrender". The Avengers vs Black Order vs Lethal Legion dichotomy is really fun as well as the mystery of who is Voyager and what part does she have to play in the Great Game.

So far I think this one has been pretty good.


It's turned out better than some parts of Secret Empire and the whole of Civil War II that's for sure.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Okay best moment though is clearly Loki and Doctor Strange. The fact they had to join up AND fight the Void, then have Loki tell them "I was doing it to prepare you for stuff!" Well it was good trick nonetheless. Also he fixed Magic. So kudos to you Loki! :) We'll see how Doctor Strange does without any assistants.

Fixed magic? Hope that they did away with the "magic has consequences" stuff. That was just stupid in my opinion. But I will know in a few days than my stuff arrives.

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Jenner2057 wrote:

I'm surprised at how much I'm finding myself enjoying "No Surrender". The Avengers vs Black Order vs Lethal Legion dichotomy is really fun as well as the mystery of who is Voyager and what part does she have to play in the Great Game.

So far I think this one has been pretty good.

I'm still a bit more hesitant about it. I don't like too much that they are messing with the continuity again, rewriting the Avengers origin story and all. And worse, after all the stuff they went through with CW II and SE, it seems like they immediately forgot the main lesson to learn from those event, that this constant bickering and arguing about who should lead and who should follow only leads to catastrophe. Also, all the character development on Johnny gets thrown out of the window just to make him into the same "act first, think second" failure I though we finally had gotten rid of.

Maybe it's just that this "event" has no real build-up like the other ones had but I have a hard time to connect with the story so far. But then, I'm much more about character-driven stories like All-New Wolverine and this is much more about the action, so it's also running against my preferences.


Wormy,

All New is good but I didn't like the resolution to the last storyline.

I do understand why you're not that into, but so far I think at least we're getting SOME good stuff that was missing in CWII. SE I prefer to think of a kind of House of M style thing.

Lowfyr,

Uhm no that's still in there. Just Loki fixed magic so it's less fragile than it was.

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And looks like after "No Surrender", they'll be continuing with just a single "Avengers" title.
Just announced today.
They'll be sticking with the ONE title (instead of four) but they'll be having 18 issues per year instead of 12. New team line up looks pretty good too. Glad to see she-hulk (since her book was cancelled) and glad they're continuing to give Robbie Reyes a chance as Ghost Rider on the team.


Well it also seems they'll be doing a little of the Jason Aaron time jumping too while focusing on the Dark Celestials that made up most of Al Wing was working up on his Ultimates Run.


"Marvel's Next Relaunch"

Maybe they could stop relaunching and just tell stories?

And they're restarting the numbering, after going back to Legacy numbering a few months back. Oh well, they'll switch back to "legacy" in a couple years when we get to what would be #700. This mostly just confuses my record keeping of which issues I have. :)

I liked Jason Aaron's work on Thor, but I'm not real fond of the prehistoric Avengers idea. Not so sure the time jumping thing will work so well here as it did in Thor, where it was all different stages of the same character.


Jeff,

I'll give it a shot for a time but I do agree the time jumping...not a fan. The good news is Thor has a golden arm now. :)

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