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Or is it still limited to just humans? The feat simply says "individuals."
EDIT: Turns out I already asked this question in 2012. My mind must be going. :P
When you are in human form, you can take the shape of a specific individual.
I'm not sure the intent can be clearer. If a Kitsune is in the shape of any humanoid other than human, she's not in human form and can't take the shape of a specific individual.
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Source Advanced Race Guide pg. 1 (Amazon)
When you are in human form, you can take the shape of a specific individual.
When in human form. Unless you're just going to arbitrarily dismiss that as fluff I don't see the argument here.
Rather than being a limit to human forms (of the same sex?) it may well mean you can't turn into an individual unless you are already in your human form. In other words, you can't go from kitsune to individual. You must got from kitsune, to human, to individual humanoid.
Rather than being a limit to human forms (of the same sex?) it may well mean you can't turn into an individual unless you are already in your human form. In other words, you can't go from kitsune to individual. You must got from kitsune, to human, to individual humanoid.
I know anything but the absolute raw is an anathema to you, but you're trying to pick which way to read raw. Given that, what on earth would be the purpose of such a restriction given that kitsune can be in human form 24 7 ?
You could just say you are a human in the form of an elven individual though.
Are half-elf and half-orc valid options since they count as humans?
Rather than being a limit to human forms (of the same sex?) it may well mean you can't turn into an individual unless you are already in your human form. In other words, you can't go from kitsune to individual. You must got from kitsune, to human, to individual humanoid.I know anything but the absolute raw is an anathema to you, but you're trying to pick which way to read raw. Given that, what on earth would be the purpose of such a restriction given that kitsune can be in human form 24 7 ?
I counter with a question of my own: Why on earth would they use the wording they did if they weren't trying to expand the forms you can take on? They literally just needed to say "invdividual human" adding in one more word to make it absolutely clear.
But they didn't, so it could easily be interpreted either way. I'm not even the first person to ask this. It's been asked several times before, so it's hardly clear.
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Rather than being a limit to human forms (of the same sex?) it may well mean you can't turn into an individual unless you are already in your human form. In other words, you can't go from kitsune to individual. You must got from kitsune, to human, to individual humanoid.I know anything but the absolute raw is an anathema to you, but you're trying to pick which way to read raw. Given that, what on earth would be the purpose of such a restriction given that kitsune can be in human form 24 7 ?
I counter with a question of my own: Why on earth would they use the wording they did if they weren't trying to expand the forms you can take on? They literally just needed to say "invdividual human" adding in one more word to make it absolutely clear.
But they didn't, so it could easily be interpreted either way. I'm not even the first person to ask this. It's been asked several times before, so it's hardly clear.
The devs didn't think anyone would consider taking a human form that isn't human. Call it an oversight on their part.
Edit: Also,why the limit to only humanoids? Are dragons not "individuals"?
I counter with a question of my own: Why on earth would they use the wording they did if they weren't trying to expand the forms you can take on?
They are expanding the forms you can take on from "a single human form unique to you" to "any human".
They literally just needed to say "invdividual human" adding in one more word to make it absolutely clear.
But they didn't, so it could easily be interpreted either way. I'm not even the first person to ask this. It's been asked several times before, so it's hardly clear.
The kitsune's ability is called Change Shape, not human form. Referring to taking a human form seems sufficiently clear to me. The fact that they could have added a word for further clarity seems like a weak argument compared to looking at the words they did choose to use.
Certainly, I recommend checking with the GM, but more in the vein of asking the GM to give you something cool by bending the rules a little, rather than arguing a loophole.
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Edit: Also,why the limit to only humanoids? Are dragons not "individuals"?
That one I can answer- because kitsune's Change Shape ability specifies that it's running off of Alter Self, which only allows humanoids.
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When reading this ability, people generally focus on different words and use that focus to come to two different results.
You're either focusing on the 1) "When you are in human form" section, or the 2) "you can take the shape of a specific individual" section.
Either way is perfectly valid, really, and both directions can be further supported by outside evidence and arguments.
Let's just click the FAQ button (on every Kitsune thread we happen to find) and wait for the official ruling.
I also wonder who count as human, here? Does a half-elf or half-orc count as human? Do Aasimar with the Scion of humanity racial trait? Does a shapechanger in human form count?
Alter self would limit you to small or medium size, so it'd be a miniature Minotaur.
Edit: Also,why the limit to only humanoids? Are dragons not "individuals"?That one I can answer- because kitsune's Change Shape ability specifies that it's running off of Alter Self, which only allows humanoids.
The Kitsune's Change Shape ability also specifies that she can only take a human form, not any humanoid. If we're arbitrarily ignoring parts of that ability (or just ignoring the entire ability altogether), why not go for broke?
In somewhat seriousness, though. I really wouldn't be surprised if it's supposed to be a human that looks like any given individual. So if you choose a minotaur, you turn into a human who somehow looks a lot like that minotaur. But you would still obviously be a human, until using extra disguise skill.
There is also the possibility that this is an illusion effect. So, you turn into a human that's been glamoured to look like something else.