Does Tremorsense bypass blindness or concealment?

[Bigguyinblack]

I looked at a few years worth of threads and the closest thing I could find to an official answer was this post by Sean K Reynolds.

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"Pinpoint" has a specific meaning in the game: you know what square it's in, so even if you can't see it, you can make an attack into that square (instead of groping around to find it or randomly choosing a square you hope it's in). So it shouldn't tell you what weapon they have (or probably much more than "only taking up one square, probably only two legs.

So you know the square but what if you are blind or they are displaced?

[GM Rednal]

Tremorsense is an ability that allows you to sense vibrations through the ground. It's essentially a "touch" sense. Blindness only affects your visual senses, so it wouldn't do a thing to Tremorsense. Displacement, as the spell, is similarly visual in nature, and Tremorsense is not fooled.

Of course, Tremorsense only lets you know what square they're in, so how accurate you'll be depends on the other factors of the situation...

[wraithstrike]

It lets you know what square they are in just like blindsense does, but you still have to deal with miss chance if they have concealment.

[Hobit of Bree]

If you are blind or they are displaced, you still can use tremorsense to figure out what square they are in (which you knew if they were displaced, but you didn't if you are blink).

[Scrapper]

Avatar, the Last Air Bender, see Toph Beifong as an example of Tremorsense

[Del_Taco_Eater]

Scrapper wrote:

Avatar, the Last Air Bender, see Toph Beifong as an example of Tremorsense

Toph's tremorsense seems to be better at pinpointing exact locations than the pathfinder version. (I'm remembering her fight with THE BOULDER.)

I think you would agree that toph does not suffer from a 50% miss chance when attacking someone.

[Cwethan]

True, but Earth Kineticists don't suffer the miss chance from concealment for people they find with Tremorsense anyways.

[Gorignak227]

Del_Taco_Eater wrote:

Scrapper wrote:

Avatar, the Last Air Bender, see Toph Beifong as an example of Tremorsense

Toph's tremorsense seems to be better at pinpointing exact locations than the pathfinder version. (I'm remembering her fight with THE BOULDER.)

I think you would agree that toph does not suffer from a 50% miss chance when attacking someone.

Ya, i wish the pathfinder tremorsense was more in line with this concept. It would be nice if people with scent or tremorsense would have some sort of bonus over a character who just wildly swings at the air in a square.

[ckdragons]

Gorignak227 wrote:

Del_Taco_Eater wrote:

Scrapper wrote:

Avatar, the Last Air Bender, see Toph Beifong as an example of Tremorsense

Toph's tremorsense seems to be better at pinpointing exact locations than the pathfinder version. (I'm remembering her fight with THE BOULDER.)

I think you would agree that toph does not suffer from a 50% miss chance when attacking someone.

Ya, i wish the pathfinder tremorsense was more in line with this concept. It would be nice if people with scent or tremorsense would have some sort of bonus over a character who just wildly swings at the air in a square.

Scent allows to pinpoint which square to swing into. Without it, have to pick a square and hope the target is there. I would believe the same is with tremorsense.