
Balkoth |
Last night I had a situation where one player got into a sticky situation and another player (who had Fly active) wanted to cast Levitate on the person in trouble and then drag them through the air.
This image shows an example of what I mean (rogue semi-surrounded by wolves, caster not being threatened).
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z158/lordbalkoth/Levitate%20Limits_zpsot h1bfms.png?t=1485810699
The caster argued he could Levitate the rogue and then drag the rogue without the rogue triggering AoOs from the wolves. His reasoning was that "forced" movement never triggers AoOs...even though the rogue is willing to have Levitate put on himself and also willing to be dragged away from the wolves.
I'm also curious about the ability of the caster to drag the rogue effortlessly through the air at full movement rate.
How is this situation actually supposed to work?

Senji975310 |
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You can mentally direct the recipient to move up or down as much as 20 feet each round; doing so is a move action. You cannot move the recipient horizontally, but the recipient could clamber along the face of a cliff, for example, or push against a ceiling to move laterally (generally at half its base land speed).
The spell seem to indicate that the subject of levitate is not stuck in one-dimensional movement pattern, so, yes, mage can move him. But if you want to be all precise and technical, then only rogue can move himself horizontally, so, no, mage cannot move him.
Your choice.
As for AoO, "Moving out of a threatened square usually provokes attacks of opportunity from threatening opponents.", I would say that "being moved out of a threatened square" is not the same as "moving out of a threatened square", mostly because moved character does not turn his back on opponents or lower his guard, or even lose his actions. Of course there might be some penalties for fighting while being carried, but i can't find any.

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I would have had the rogue provoke, otherwise you open the door to let the PCs all move each other and never provoke. I presume you don't want that.
I would let the wizard drag the levitating rogue around horizontally, but I'd count the rogue's weight against the wizard's load for movement rate. The rogue is effectively weightless, so there's no problem with him dragging the wizard out of the sky, but he isn't massless, so his mass still has inertia. For you average str-dumped wizard that would reduce him to a 5 foot movement rate, or likely a heavy load.

Wheldrake |

The wizard-dragged rogue has got to provoke. I mean, come on! If the rogue moved himself, he would draw AoOs. Being dragged by somebody else has got to put him in *at least* as much danger as if he had stepped away himself.
IMHO, a DM would be perfectly within his rights to not only call for an AoO, but to also say the rogue was flatfooted and lost his DEX bonus to AC, since he isn't controlling his movement.

Gisher |
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The caster argued he could Levitate the rogue and then drag the rogue without the rogue triggering AoOs from the wolves. His reasoning was that "forced" movement never triggers AoOs...even though the rogue is willing to have Levitate put on himself and also willing to be dragged away from the wolves.
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Just because the Rogue isn't using his own Move Actions doesn't make him immune to AoOs. A mounted character is still subject to AoOs even if it is the mount's Move Action that is being used to leave a threatened square. I would just treat the Caster as a mount for this purpose. Think Santa Claus being pulled through the air by a humanoid 'reindeer.' ;)

David knott 242 |

The listed benefit of the Greater Bull Rush feat would be a strong argument against forced movement generally provoking attacks of opportunity. A bull rush is a form of forced movement generally imposed by an enemy. The Greater Bull Rush feat causes that forced motion to provoke attacks of opportunity from the initiator of that maneuver. Without that feat, per the "Normal:" entry in that feat, "Creatures moved by bull rush do not provoke attacks of opportunity."
So why would forced movement from an ally provoke attacks of opportunity when forced movement from an enemy does not?

Sundakan |

That's actually an argument for opposite than you think.
From Bull Rush:
An enemy being moved by a bull rush does not provoke an attack of opportunity because of the movement
So that is a specific rule that implies it is overriding a more general rule that movement provokes, no matter the source.

Sundakan |

And the Combat Maneuver text in the Combat section, likewise, stipulates that neither of them provoke either.
There is a possibility they are restating the general rule, but I've never seen any rules text that says only voluntary movement provokes. It just says moving through a Threatened square does.

Jader7777 |

Normal: Creatures moved by drag do not provoke attacks of opportunity.
So if you want to get dragged and not provoke, just call your peer a buttmunch and that you're going to stab him. You become a foe and you do not provoke while being dragged.
Seriously guys, giving up a whole turn to move someone should be worth doing

Balkoth |
Being dragged by somebody else has got to put him in *at least* as much danger as if he had stepped away himself.
His argument is that since the rogue is levitating it's not like he's actually being dragged and thus can keep up his defenses >.>
Just because the Rogue isn't using his own Move Actions doesn't make him immune to AoOs. A mounted character is still subject to AoOs even if it is the mount's Move Action that is being used to leave a threatened square.
Now THAT is an interesting point. I skimmed the mounted combat rules that I could find but I can't find a reference to that anywhere. Can you provide a link?
So if you want to get dragged and not provoke, just call your peer a buttmunch and that you're going to stab him. You become a foe and you do not provoke while being dragged.
Dragging has specific CMB/CMD rules for the distance covered, though. This mage wanted to just fly 180 feet freely while dragging the rogue away. Bit of a difference.