Dragons / Giants / Angels or others as PCs

[Currahee Chris]

Hello

I have been toying around with running a higher level game which focuses on players using Dragons/Giants or Angels as their characters. I am curious if anyone has ever attempted this before and what were the results- what would you change or do differently?

I have allowed the occasional gold dragon to accompany the player party on very rare occasions. As expected, they were a little too powerful for the encounters and had a tendency to overshadow the pcs.

At any rate, I am thinking CR8-13 level monsters. Any advice would be appreciated :)

[KahnyaGnorc]

Check out Savage Species. It is 3.0, so a couple revisions behind Pathfinder, but maybe will help you. There is also a Monster Classes project from Dreamscarred Press that you can look at.

My suggestion would be a sort-of Gestalt situation, where they pick one "Monster Class" and one normal class to gestalt. That way, they "grow" into their monstrous power, but also get standard PC abilities along the way.

[Currahee Chris]

Savage Species was a very fun book! :)

Good advice, I haven't looked at that book in a good decade or so. Wouldn't be a bad idea to revisit. I have Draconomicon which I could take another look at as well.

[Gilfalas]

Currahee Chris wrote:

Savage Species was a very fun book! :)

Also was considered one of the more broken books ever published for 3.X and was the source for the feat that allowed the abomination that was Pun Pun to exist.

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

Currahee Chris wrote:

Hello

I have been toying around with running a higher level game which focuses on players using Dragons/Giants or Angels as their characters. I am curious if anyone has ever attempted this before and what were the results- what would you change or do differently?

I have allowed the occasional gold dragon to accompany the player party on very rare occasions. As expected, they were a little too powerful for the encounters and had a tendency to overshadow the pcs.

At any rate, I am thinking CR8-13 level monsters. Any advice would be appreciated :)

What you'll find is that rules get really squirrelly the farther you depart from the Humanoid norm. Expect to make lots of on the spot evaluations with questions such as "What happens when Dragons cast Alter Self".

[Currahee Chris]

Gilfalas wrote:

Currahee Chris wrote:

Savage Species was a very fun book! :)

Also was considered one of the more broken books ever published for 3.X and was the source for the feat that allowed the abomination that was Pun Pun to exist.

Agreed- within moderation it had it's uses. I think that was what made some of it so much fun though.

[CCCXLII]

Currahee Chris wrote:

Hello

I have been toying around with running a higher level game which focuses on players using Dragons/Giants or Angels as their characters. I am curious if anyone has ever attempted this before and what were the results- what would you change or do differently?

I have allowed the occasional gold dragon to accompany the player party on very rare occasions. As expected, they were a little too powerful for the encounters and had a tendency to overshadow the pcs.

At any rate, I am thinking CR8-13 level monsters. Any advice would be appreciated :)

I have long kept this doc saved for such a campaign.

Bestiary Levels

[Currahee Chris]

That is one EXCELLENT resource!!! A lot of other races in there I have considered or my players have questioned as well- thank you for sharing that!!!

[Christopk-K]

CCCXLII wrote:

Currahee Chris wrote:

Hello

I have been toying around with running a higher level game which focuses on players using Dragons/Giants or Angels as their characters. I am curious if anyone has ever attempted this before and what were the results- what would you change or do differently?

I have allowed the occasional gold dragon to accompany the player party on very rare occasions. As expected, they were a little too powerful for the encounters and had a tendency to overshadow the pcs.

At any rate, I am thinking CR8-13 level monsters. Any advice would be appreciated :)

I have long kept this doc saved for such a campaign.

Bestiary Levels

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