Extended Favored Class options


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Has there been any thoughts to a player's companion that offers more racial FCB's? A lot of races have been released before some classes, and vice versa, so that many race/class combos miss a favored class option, that an 'Advanced Race Options' companion might be very well received.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Might I recommend the Book of Heroic Races: Advanced Favored Class Options. Also the Book of Heroic Races Compendium has an appendix of favored class options for various other races as well.


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Might I recommend the Book of Heroic Races: Advanced Favored Class Options. Also the Book of Heroic Races Compendium has an appendix of favored class options for various other races as well.

Thank you, I am aware of the 3rd party options, but I did specifically ask this in the Paizo Products forum, as for many people, there IS a difference.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

CraziFuzzy wrote:


Thank you, I am aware of the 3rd party options, but I did specifically ask this in the Paizo Products forum, as for many people, there IS a difference.

To the best of my knowledge, the only favored class options from paizo for the ARG races are in the ARG.


meaning the ACG dlasses get shorted.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Which is why I made sure to include them in the Book of Heroic Races: Advanced Favored Class Options.


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
CraziFuzzy wrote:


Thank you, I am aware of the 3rd party options, but I did specifically ask this in the Paizo Products forum, as for many people, there IS a difference.
To the best of my knowledge, the only favored class options from paizo for the ARG races are in the ARG.

True, and even that is far from complete for classes that were out at the time. The Magus only has FCB's from 3 of the featured races (Kobold, Suli and Tiefling), as an example.


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
Which is why I made sure to include them in the Book of Heroic Races: Advanced Favored Class Options.

I think you are completely missing the point of this thread.


It may not be the answer you are looking for but i am in favour of just letting any race choose from any of the FCB for their class. It opens up more options for any class and allows people to play the race they like for their concept over choosing the one thats mechanically best for the class. What you gain in diversity more than makes up for what you lose fro a small amount of power-play advantage

Jon Brazer Enterprises

CraziFuzzy wrote:
I think you are completely missing the point of this thread.

I really am not. While I understand having the official seal of Paizo makes a difference to some, in many more cases it just isn't a practical stance. Paizo can only put out so much material. This was the point of the Open Game License, the license that Pathfinder was created under, in the first place. Wizards knew they would not be able to publish material for every game out there and opened the game up for other publishers to create material to fulfill their needs. Paizo has done the same.

To use your own example:

CraziFuzzy wrote:
The Magus only has FCB's from 3 of the featured races (Kobold, Suli and Tiefling), as an example.

While Paizo could publish more favored class options for other races, it is doubtful they ever will. So you have to ask yourself: do you want to wait for material that in all likelihood will never come or do you want to look at other options.

Allowing something from a Pathfinder Compatible company does not mean that the GM has to allow everything. Everything is chosen on a case by case basis. I did this when I GMed a pathfinder game. I forbid the Summoner (this was before unchained) because Paizo published a broken class. Everyone misses the mark from time to time and a GM should evaluate the material before allowing it.

Unless you are playing PFS, what harm is there is evaluating the favored class options for yourself (I put alot of them on d20pfsrd so you can check it out for free), and if you think it is good, picking it up and asking your GM about it?


Apraham Lincoln wrote:
It may not be the answer you are looking for but i am in favour of just letting any race choose from any of the FCB for their class. It opens up more options for any class and allows people to play the race they like for their concept over choosing the one thats mechanically best for the class. What you gain in diversity more than makes up for what you lose fro a small amount of power-play advantage

I don't think it's really so much of a power-play advantage, as it is just providing some racial variety. It just differentiates some races as better than others at certain very niche things - a dwarven wizard SHOULD be tend to be slightly different than an elven one, but other than FCB, there isn't REALLY much of a mechanical difference. Allowing a character to choose from any of the options destroys even that small differentiation.

Shadow Lodge

While it's an unexpected source, the Horror Adventures book does revisit some of the missing Favored Class options.

Since you mention them specifically, Dwarven wizards can add 1/3 to the caster level for the duration of abjuration spells.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

thistledown wrote:
While it's an unexpected source, the Horror Adventures book does revisit some of the missing Favored Class options.

Am I missing something? Pages 38-41 give horror themed favored class options for the core book races. The ARG already has favored class options for core book races for all classes published up to that point (and every book with classes since then have had favored class options for all those races and nothing for any other race). Are there favored class options for races beyond the core rulebook somewhere else in the book that I am missing?

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