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I once had a near TPK because none of the characters could row a boat... or swim.
There is 'effective' and then there is, so 'optimized' that they cannot take care of themselves.
Conversely, I once played in a Star Wars d20 game with a bunch of jedi and monstrous bounty hunters where my character was an engineer who had no combat ability at all beyond tossing grenades or hitting something with a club (which he didn't have)... not proficient in ANY other weapon. Character pretty much ran the game... because he could fly a starship, plot a course, hack enemy base computers, bluff his way past guards, et cetera. The rest of the party could each individually destroy practically any threat... but nothing else.
I once had a near TPK because none of the characters could row a boat... or swim.
There is 'effective' and then there is, so 'optimized' that they cannot take care of themselves.
Conversely, I once played in a Star Wars d20 game with a bunch of jedi and monstrous bounty hunters where my character was an engineer who had no combat ability at all beyond tossing grenades or hitting something with a club (which he didn't have)... not proficient in ANY other weapon. Character pretty much ran the game... because he could fly a starship, plot a course, hack enemy base computers, bluff his way past guards, et cetera. The rest of the party could each individually destroy practically any threat... but nothing else.
Have to ask what skill/stat was needed for rowing?
Ah that explains it.
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I once had a near TPK because none of the characters could row a boat... or swim.
There is 'effective' and then there is, so 'optimized' that they cannot take care of themselves.
Conversely, I once played in a Star Wars d20 game with a bunch of jedi and monstrous bounty hunters where my character was an engineer who had no combat ability at all beyond tossing grenades or hitting something with a club (which he didn't have)... not proficient in ANY other weapon. Character pretty much ran the game... because he could fly a starship, plot a course, hack enemy base computers, bluff his way past guards, et cetera. The rest of the party could each individually destroy practically any threat... but nothing else.
That isn't optimization. It's specialization.
when you play, like, dude, you should, um, play the way, you know, you like to, um, play, like, the way that playing is, like fun, and DUDE you should definitely, like, never, I'm serious dude, never, like, play that way that when you play, like, dude, it isn't you know, fun.
I like what yous did there i just wish i could say beautifully put but uh . dude... lol!
That isn't optimization. It's specialization.I once had a near TPK because none of the characters could row a boat... or swim.
There is 'effective' and then there is, so 'optimized' that they cannot take care of themselves.
Conversely, I once played in a Star Wars d20 game with a bunch of jedi and monstrous bounty hunters where my character was an engineer who had no combat ability at all beyond tossing grenades or hitting something with a club (which he didn't have)... not proficient in ANY other weapon. Character pretty much ran the game... because he could fly a starship, plot a course, hack enemy base computers, bluff his way past guards, et cetera. The rest of the party could each individually destroy practically any threat... but nothing else.
It is still optimization when things go wrong.
I would happily tank my casting stat for actual brownies. :D
But Jiggy... Is life really worth living if you can't have 4d6 brownies (drop lowest)?
It's specialization, yes, but it's also optimization. They were optimized for personal combat.
They were specialized for personal combat.
They gave up a lot of skill points to get there apparently.
They probably didn't need to do that.
Hence not optimized.
A bard who uses dance to inspire courage, would not be stopped by a silence spell.
If they plan to never take a level in bard, encourage them to have a backup character. Most scenarios have a foe for each PC situation.