In this case cool kills Raw.
Being a Lich makes you a great assassin. You can patiently wait for days on end in all sorts of environments.
Would make a great solo adventurer, with conflicted morals maybe
Oh I agree. Just on that. All in favor?
*raises hand*
Might make a good 3pp mini adventure
Take 11 level martial type,
add a Lich template forced upon you by a scheming baddie.
Do his bidding while you plan how to get your hands on your phylactery
I'm still extremely sure that the ritual works. RAI (because occult rituals after meant to be accomplished by anyone regardless of casting ability) and RAW (there is no step in the process that the rogue cannot accomplish).
So it can only be stopped by a GM actively trying to hinder the rogue by citing unrelated rules as if they said no.
I know this might seem like it should go nowhere, but I'd like a confirmation of the interpretation of the rules.
So, the RAW provides three requirements for becoming a lich:1) "Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat."
2) "The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher."
3) "The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation." (irrelephant, it's basically money)
Where are these rules from, 3.5? AFAIK, Pathfinder has no official one size fits all laid down process. Every lich in print materials that does have an origin laid out has gone through a unique route... the only thing in common, being a slaughter of a crapton of innocents along the way.
Where are these rules from, 3.5? AFAIK, Pathfinder has no official one size fits all laid down process. Every lich in print materials that does have an origin laid out has gone through a unique route... the only thing in common, being a slaughter of a crapton of innocents along the way.I know this might seem like it should go nowhere, but I'd like a confirmation of the interpretation of the rules.
So, the RAW provides three requirements for becoming a lich:1) "Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat."
2) "The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher."
3) "The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation." (irrelephant, it's basically money)
An integral part of becoming a lich is the creation of the phylactery in which the character stores his soul. The only way to get rid of a lich for sure is to destroy its phylactery. Unless its phylactery is located and destroyed, a lich can rejuvenate after it is killed.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
The most common form of phylactery is a sealed metal box containing strips of parchment on which magical phrases have been transcribed. The box is Tiny and has 40 hit points, hardness 20, and a break DC of 40.
Other forms of phylacteries can exist, such as rings, amulets, or similar items
I mean it's literally from the first bestiary's lich entry so it's kind of hard to miss.
Yeah, I know. But there are alternate rules, involving the Unchained Crafting stuff, that allow you to substitute crafting ranks for caster level... you just add a +5 to the DC of crafting for each requirement you don't meet.
You've been told multiple times you don't get a caster level.
Your also looking at it as if it's a magic item from the DMG that will give you the Lich template once made, that is not the case, these are listed in creatures bio as a thing it has to be.
It is listed because the Lich is a magic user who became this thing, a DM can change these limitations if he wants but the DM could also have the template make you a floating skull if he thought that made sense.
There are no rules to overcome because there are no mechanical rules for players becoming Liches anymore than a PC controlled vampire, this is just what the book says a Lich is and does.
Costs 120,000 gp to create, not what it can be "bought" for.
Occult Rituals are templates for GMs to develop their own plot relevant rituals. They only appear because your GM gave them to you, you can't just buy them or craft/research them on your own like spells or items. So they are no more a PC option than an artifact abilities are. They could be, but only by GM fiat giving it to you.
Zarius the solution is easy.
Do it
Don't tell anyone on the message boards you have done it
Enjoy your creation
They only appear because your GM gave them to you, you can't just buy them or craft/research them on your own like spells or items.
Actually...
If an occult ritual is taught or its secrets are explained directly, it takes at least 1 day per ritual level to learn the method of its casting. Learning a ritual from hidden clues or from scratch takes a week or a month per ritual level (GM's discretion). At the end of this period of study and contemplation, the person attempting to learn the ritual must succeed at an Intelligence check (DC = 15 + the ritual level if learning from clues or a coerced teacher, or DC = 10 + the ritual level if learning from an instructor eager to teach). Failing the check means the secrets of the ritual elude the learner's understanding, though she can start the process anew at the same rate of potential discovery.
There are precise rules for learning how to cast a given occult ritual. And, furthermore, it does not require a teacher as long as you spend the nine weeks/months studying it.
So, it actually is like researching spells or crafting items.(And yes, this step of the process can be shut off by a GM, but, really, so can any step in the process, for rogues and wizards alike.)
...ah!
For some reason, it never dawned on me that the writer of both posts were the same person.
That didn't occur to me either.
I'm afraid I tend not to inherit context from one thread to another, I try to approach everything with a clean line of thought. So I tend not to notice poster similarities unless it's a poster I haven't gotten along with.
Where are these rules from, 3.5? AFAIK, Pathfinder has no official one size fits all laid down process. Every lich in print materials that does have an origin laid out has gone through a unique route... the only thing in common, being a slaughter of a crapton of innocents along the way.I know this might seem like it should go nowhere, but I'd like a confirmation of the interpretation of the rules.
So, the RAW provides three requirements for becoming a lich:1) "Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat."
2) "The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher."
3) "The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation." (irrelephant, it's basically money)I mean it's literally from the first bestiary's lich entry so it's kind of hard to miss.An integral part of becoming a lich is the creation of the phylactery in which the character stores his soul. The only way to get rid of a lich for sure is to destroy its phylactery. Unless its phylactery is located and destroyed, a lich can rejuvenate after it is killed.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
The most common form of phylactery is a sealed metal box containing strips of parchment on which magical phrases have been transcribed. The box is Tiny and has 40 hit points, hardness 20, and a break DC of 40.
Other forms of phylacteries can exist, such as rings, amulets, or similar items
It describes only the crafting of the phylactory. That's far from the whole process of becoming a lich.
Well considering you must create your own and must be able to cast spells to do that and must have a caster level of 11 or higher then it is easy to say if you don't mean one of those steps then you can't be a lich.
It's a literal if then statement:
1. To be a lich you must have a phylactery
2. To have a phylactery to be a lich you must:
2a. Create it yourself
2b. be able to cast spells
2c. Have a caster level of 11 or higher
3. Other steps may apply to be a lich.
However part 3 doesn't preclude part two. Those are minimums to have a phylactery (as in the type the lich uses). You don't get to skip those with vague handwaving simply because there might be additional steps.
