I'd rather call him Captain Marvel than Shazam, if only because of the way my dad says, "Captain Marvel!" when reminiscing about his comic reading days (unfortunately he threw away his old comics when he went to college; he could have had a fortune!). But I don't mind calling him Shazam either, since while it is the name of the wizard, it is also the initials of the entities that grant him power so it makes sense as a name. Sadly there's all kinds of weird rights stuff with that because of the Foster Comics rights and then Mar-Vell and all that.
I think my biggest beef is that they've replicated the Captain Marvel Junior problem... he literally cannot refer to his own name without transforming...
EDIT: Well, the current version can, but come onnnnn...
Hey, does anyone buy the Flashpoint soft reboot rumors going around. Apparently, DC might try to pull a Days of Future Past and use the Flash's movie as an excuse to reboot the whole franchise with some new actors. I don't really believe it myself, but does anyone think it might be a good idea at this point?
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Hey, does anyone buy the Flashpoint soft reboot rumors going around. Apparently, DC might try to pull a Days of Future Past and use the Flash's movie as an excuse to reboot the whole franchise with some new actors. I don't really believe it myself, but does anyone think it might be a good idea at this point?
I honestly don't think the actors are the problem, although admittedly Affleck's Batman already mentioning that he's gotten too old for this gives some credence to the idea.
With one or two exceptions, the casting has been superb- even the pretty mediocre Suicide Squad had excellent performances from key individuals, and when Cavill gets to say things that feel like Superman instead of Grimdarkman, his Kal-El is pretty rock solid.
It's the scripts and direction that have been trainwrecks.
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I honestly don't think the actors are the problem, although admittedly Affleck's Batman already mentioning that he's gotten too old for this gives some credence to the idea.
With one or two exceptions, the casting has been superb- even the pretty mediocre Suicide Squad had excellent performances from key individuals, and when Cavill gets to say things that feel like Superman instead of Grimdarkman, his Kal-El is pretty rock solid.
It's the scripts and direction that have been trainwrecks.
Yeah, Cavill's the first actor whose really *looked* like Superman (not to discount Reeves, but, like Hoechlin or Routh, he was a bit thin), with that Charles Atlas broad chest, and when he smiles or looks determined (instead of just angry or constipated), he totally nails it.
And I thought Margot Robbie, Jared Leto and the guy who played Diablo whose name I forget did great in Suicide Squad.
And Gal Gadot better not be going anywhere!
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Yeah, Cavill's the first actor whose really *looked* like Superman (not to discount Reeves, but, like Hoechlin or Routh, he was a bit thin), with that Charles Atlas broad chest, and when he smiles or looks determined (instead of just angry or constipated), he totally nails it.
First time I've felt some of the childlike joy I still get from Reeves' performance? When Cavill all but did the Superman Wink and delivered the line, "Is this guy still bothering you?"
And I thought Margot Robbie, Jared Leto and the guy who played Diablo whose name I forget did great in Suicide Squad.
Don't forget Viola Davis as Amanda "Most Evil Person Around" Waller.
I wasn't wild about Leto's Joker... but again, that was all in script and directorial choices, not the performance.
And Gal Gadot better not be going anywhere!
No foolin'.
I really liked it. As my brother said it was no Avengers but it was still good. This was probably the first time superman seemed like the superman in my head.
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Flash saves family in truck superman carrying 4 story apartment complex... I loved it. Its great because it did start out very dark and dare I say it hopeless. Then superman was back and everything suddenly got all positive again. (Also scene where WW deflected the machine gun bullets gave me goose bumps.)
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The problem is if you go on without them, all hardcore fans will demand is Superman and Batman and will dominate all discussion about. You could've made a "Justice League" say with just Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg (maybe throw in Black Canary and Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter) and it could have been amazing, but people would have b%#$@ed because Superman and Batman wasn't in it, even to the degree it might've flopped even if it was a good movie (though given how good Wonder Woman did, maybe she would have been a draw if she'd been cast as the leader).Marvel really lucked out in having so many of their big name characters unavailable (Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men) and having to dive a little deeper into their catalog, in that sense.
I'd kill for a Justice League story (comic or movie) involving lesser-known characters like the Black Canary, Booster Gold, Vixen, Element Woman, Amazing Man, etc. But it is true that the 'fans' would riot in the streets if a Justice League movie wasn't all Superman, Batman and 'those other people.' There are *nine* 'classic satellite-era' Leaguers *without* the 'big seven;' Green Arrow, Black Canary, Hawkman, Hawkwoman, Red Tornado, Firestorm, Zatanna, Atom, the Elongated Man. And that's not counting cool characters who came later!
This would be the equivalent of doing Justice League Dark in live action.....which I definitely wouldn't be opposed to.
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Flash saves family in truck superman carrying 4 story apartment complex... I loved it. Its great because it did start out very dark and dare I say it hopeless. Then superman was back and everything suddenly got all positive again. (Also scene where WW deflected the machine gun bullets gave me goose bumps.)
It took them a while but they figured it out. And it's what I've been saying all along. Everyone wanted the Superman that when he shows up even the heroes cheer knowing it's going to be okay.....the point a lot of people didn't get was that Man of Steel and BvS was the journey to get there.
Think about it, in BvS, he's the rookie. Batman's the grizzled vet, Wonder Woman has perfected this into an art and is actually coming out of retirement and Superman's on year two.
Cut the kid some slack.
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It took them a while but they figured it out. And it's what I've been saying all along. Everyone wanted the Superman that when he shows up even the heroes cheer knowing it's going to be okay.....the point a lot of people didn't get was that Man of Steel and BvS was the journey to get there.
Thing is- we really didn't need an origin story for Superman. His origin is literally the least interesting thing about him (and a big part of why I prefer Captain Marvel)- and we if we must have it due to studio concerns, do what Marvel did when they rebooted the Hulk, and stick it under the opening credits of a movie about the hero doing his thing.
Superman (and Batman) have such an absurdly deep-rooted cultural basis that people who have never read a comic book know roughly who they are- if I say "redheads are my Kryptonite," people grasp what I'm talking about. If I jokingly say, "to the Batmobile!" people know to head for my car. If I call someone a "Bizarro _____," they know I'm talking about inversions.
The journey to being the Big Hero is not what we need or want out of Superman. He has been around since 1938, and even at times when the superhero market has slumped (such as in the post WWII world), he has never gone away. And while his character now is certainly different from his 1938 incarnation, it has been pretty consistent for longer than most of the people reading these boards have been alive- and tinkering with that was both unnecessary and almost certainly contributed to the tonal misery of both Man of Steel and BvS.
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Slight spoilers
Flash saves family in truck superman carrying 4 story apartment complex... I loved it. Its great because it did start out very dark and dare I say it hopeless. Then superman was back and everything suddenly got all positive again. (Also scene where WW deflected the machine gun bullets gave me goose bumps.)It took them a while but they figured it out. And it's what I've been saying all along. Everyone wanted the Superman that when he shows up even the heroes cheer knowing it's going to be okay.....the point a lot of people didn't get was that Man of Steel and BvS was the journey to get there.
Think about it, in BvS, he's the rookie. Batman's the grizzled vet, Wonder Woman has perfected this into an art and is actually coming out of retirement and Superman's on year two.
Cut the kid some slack.
PREACH
I love the idea of an imperfect superman, these movies gave that to me. You want superman solving all the world's problems in 20 minutes without breaking a sweat and the only concern being how he keeps a secret identity outside of darkseid showing up? Check out the animated series. An hour? 80s movies (stretched out into 2 hours because they wanted to make money). You want someone who is new at this, makes mistakes, and is learning how to conrtol his power set because he discovered the hard way this really isn't nearly as easy as it looks? You go for these movies.
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Slight spoilers
Flash saves family in truck superman carrying 4 story apartment complex... I loved it. Its great because it did start out very dark and dare I say it hopeless. Then superman was back and everything suddenly got all positive again. (Also scene where WW deflected the machine gun bullets gave me goose bumps.)It took them a while but they figured it out. And it's what I've been saying all along. Everyone wanted the Superman that when he shows up even the heroes cheer knowing it's going to be okay.....the point a lot of people didn't get was that Man of Steel and BvS was the journey to get there.
Think about it, in BvS, he's the rookie. Batman's the grizzled vet, Wonder Woman has perfected this into an art and is actually coming out of retirement and Superman's on year two.
Cut the kid some slack.
But that doesn't work. You can't have the rookie be the one that all the seasoned heroes cheer for. It works in the comics, because he has earned that over the decades. Even when they reboot, they don't really go back to Superman's first appearances, other than in flashback.
It almost works on screen whatever they do, because like Cole says, he's that in our heads, regardless of what shows on screen. But that clashes with showing his "journey to get there" and then clashes again because they haven't really shown that he deserves is.
when they see the potential in that rookie who has a power set that mkes everyone's day easier? Oh hell yes.
I give it a 7/10. It was a decent movie even though I had a few issues with some of the scenes in the movie.
In order from least to most:
-While it was good to for them to show a world without hope after Superman death which I found to be a nice touch and realistic. Why is it that white people and only white people can be racist in movies lately imo.
-steppenwolf is a decent villain just not one I would have chosen for a JLA movie.
-The dumbest reason EVER in anyway shape or form given for people living next to a radioactive nuclear reactor. They got nowhere else to go. Given a few more years exposure to the radioactivity from the nuclear reactor and their won't be any left of them to go anywhere.
-The rather pointless and truly unnecessary side plot of the four family members. I just felt it added nothing to the movie imo.
I recommend going to watch it yet I also don't think it was the Marvel movie killer that the studio thinks it will be.
What I liked:
Especially the look on the Flash face when he thinks he can sneak up on Superman and fails badly.
Batman desperate enough to bring back Superman from the dead. Something Bruce would do in the comic imo.
Wonder Woman rocks in the movie imo.
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Slight spoilers
Flash saves family in truck superman carrying 4 story apartment complex... I loved it. Its great because it did start out very dark and dare I say it hopeless. Then superman was back and everything suddenly got all positive again. (Also scene where WW deflected the machine gun bullets gave me goose bumps.)It took them a while but they figured it out. And it's what I've been saying all along. Everyone wanted the Superman that when he shows up even the heroes cheer knowing it's going to be okay.....the point a lot of people didn't get was that Man of Steel and BvS was the journey to get there.
The problem with that is, it's a bad journey. Everyone wants to be Lord of the rings without realizing that was a single book broken into three...
Not everything NEEDS to be a three part story. The movies have to stand alone on their own. They really need to go back to that. Star Wars was a stand alone movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark was stand alone... Drop a cliffhanger if you have to, but make sure the movies stand alone. You can't expect audiences to sit through three Superman Movies before you let Superman be Superman.
It's the same way when they did Green Lantern and saved Sinestro for the sequel... which will never ever come.
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There are people living near Chernobyl to this day, some inside the exclusion zone.
unfortunately.
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when they see the potential in that rookie who has a power set that mkes everyone's day easier? Oh hell yes.Slight spoilers
Flash saves family in truck superman carrying 4 story apartment complex... I loved it. Its great because it did start out very dark and dare I say it hopeless. Then superman was back and everything suddenly got all positive again. (Also scene where WW deflected the machine gun bullets gave me goose bumps.)It took them a while but they figured it out. And it's what I've been saying all along. Everyone wanted the Superman that when he shows up even the heroes cheer knowing it's going to be okay.....the point a lot of people didn't get was that Man of Steel and BvS was the journey to get there.
Think about it, in BvS, he's the rookie. Batman's the grizzled vet, Wonder Woman has perfected this into an art and is actually coming out of retirement and Superman's on year two.
Cut the kid some slack.
But that doesn't work. You can't have the rookie be the one that all the seasoned heroes cheer for. It works in the comics, because he has earned that over the decades. Even when they reboot, they don't really go back to Superman's first appearances, other than in flashback.
It almost works on screen whatever they do, because like Cole says, he's that in our heads, regardless of what shows on screen. But that clashes with showing his "journey to get there" and then clashes again because they haven't really shown that he deserves is.Maybe, but that's not really the point of Superman, I don't think. They don't cheer just because he's really powerful and makes their job easy. They cheer because he's Superman.
Comics have played around with the uber-powerful rookie any number of times. Or the uber-powerful screwup, for that matter. Those aren't Superman.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think there's anything wrong with exploring his rookie days, but you can't just have...
watch an episode of justice league or superman animated where darkseid shows up.
Aside from that, he kinda sneezes through his foes, or should.
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Aw, I liked the Russian family. I like the "human connection" bits, to see how the normals are affected by the worldshaking plot. Often that gets overlooked in stories liked this, and I liked that time was taken to show the impact of the story on the little guy. Plus they were effing resilient.
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You know, if we are going to critique and analyze why the DC movies have had so many issues, I think we have to point our fingers at the the Warner Bros corporate side of things. They wanted to make avengers money but also didn't really want to take the time or put much thought into getting there. At the same time, they also wanted to be not seen as copying other studios, so they tried to do the opposite, even when it made no sense (building a shared universe while doing director driven movies is INSANE). And then constantly interfering, cutting up movies to give them a different feel or bringing new folks on.
And yeah, I do also think people are at heart harder on DC than Marvel. DC has it easy, in that all their properties are under one banner. They can pretty much adapt ANY storyline and use ANY character they want, which also includes some of the most well known super heroes. Marvel had to piece together its shared universe from the scraps left over after it sold the rights to most of its popular characters.
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Marvel had to piece together its shared universe from the scraps left over after it sold the rights to most of its popular characters.
I suspect, people being people, no matter what company they work for, that if Marvel had access to Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, the Hulk and the X-Men right from the get-go, we'd be on our sixth versions of their various movies, and still have never seen the Black Widow or the Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man or Dr. Strange or the Black Panther on the big screen.
I may be being overly cynical, but I feel like Marvel selling off as many rights as they have has been a blessing, of sorts, and forced them to try harder and dig deeper than they would have.
I wonder what it would be like in a universe where DC had been the one to sell off the movie rights to Superman and Batman, and was forced to venture forth from their safe place and make movies about 'those other guys' and we'd be talking about how off the hook and unexpectedly brilliant the last Hawkman or Zatanna movie was...
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...or, dare we say it, a **Hawkgirl** movie?
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...or, dare we say it, a **Hawkgirl** movie?
Oh heck yeah, I'd watch a Hawkgirl/woman movie way faster than a Hawkman movie, and not because of the gender thing, but because he's kind of a grumpy dick, and she brings a lot of the same stuff to the table without being quite so much of a curmudgeonly sourpuss.
She also plays better with groups, which makes her a more useful Bird of Prey / Justice Leaguer, IMO. He's a little too Guy Gardner, and while it's cool to showcase some inter-team drama, his attitudes tend to get exaggerated to the point that he, like Guy, comes across as a buffoon, and that doesn't really do him any favors.
...or, dare we say it, a **Hawkgirl** movie?Oh heck yeah, I'd watch a Hawkgirl/woman movie way faster than a Hawkman movie, and not because of the gender thing, but because he's kind of a grumpy dick, and she brings a lot of the same stuff to the table without being quite so much of a curmudgeonly sourpuss.
She also plays better with groups, which makes her a more useful Bird of Prey / Justice Leaguer, IMO. He's a little too Guy Gardner, and while it's cool to showcase some inter-team drama, his attitudes tend to get exaggerated to the point that he, like Guy, comes across as a buffoon, and that doesn't really do him any favors.
Hey let's not get insulting! Hawkman is NOTHING like Guy, Guy is a special breed of jerk character that started off as a joke and then became...something else. Ugh.
You know, if we are going to critique and analyze why the DC movies have had so many issues, I think we have to point our fingers at the the Warner Bros corporate side of things. They wanted to make avengers money but also didn't really want to take the time or put much thought into getting there. At the same time, they also wanted to be not seen as copying other studios, so they tried to do the opposite, even when it made no sense (building a shared universe while doing director driven movies is INSANE). And then constantly interfering, cutting up movies to give them a different feel or bringing new folks on.
And yeah, I do also think people are at heart harder on DC than Marvel. DC has it easy, in that all their properties are under one banner. They can pretty much adapt ANY storyline and use ANY character they want, which also includes some of the most well known super heroes. Marvel had to piece together its shared universe from the scraps left over after it sold the rights to most of its popular characters.
This is very true, WB corporate people seem to be a huge part of the problem. Justice league probably would have been a better movie if it had a slightly longer run time.
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You know, if we are going to critique and analyze why the DC movies have had so many issues, I think we have to point our fingers at the the Warner Bros corporate side of things.
Oh heavens yes.
"Hey, Nolan made us some bank with his Batman trilogy, let's do the director thing..."
"Should we at least make sure they're all reading from the same basic premise/vibe?"
"Nah."
"Hey, uh... Wonder Woman-"
"Yeah, well, we didn't think it'd-"
"No, no, it's.... selling like gangbusters?"
"WHAT?! IMPOSSIBLE!"
I still wonder who's idea it was to use a Mother Box to bring back Superman...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwU0QkcrNVQ
Every time someone says Batman can defeat Superman I post the above video. Sure Batman can defeat Superman with MUCH help on the part of the writers.
Thing,
You should TOTALLY read the one shot Metal about the Batman that infected himself with Doomsday's DNA. That was pretty baller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwU0QkcrNVQ
Every time someone says Batman can defeat Superman I post the above video. Sure Batman can defeat Superman with MUCH help on the part of the writers.
.. and having pick pocketed one of those neural net things during the fight.
Thing,
You should TOTALLY read the one shot Metal about the Batman that infected himself with Doomsday's DNA. That was pretty baller.
That sounds awesome I'm gonna need to know the name of that one.
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In case you were wondering what Lex was sipping onboard his $190 Million dollar Mega Yacht, it’s good old Goût de Diamants —which literally means ‘taste of diamonds.’
The company I work for has two bottles you can purchase, one in Las Vegas and one in New York. Priced at $1.75 Million a botte (or roughly $290,000 a glass), plus tax, administration fee, and tip of course.
What made me smile when Lex mentions the bottle is the lable has a
clear Superman symbol on its brand trim.
I’m going to guess that they used a stunt bottle in the movie.
Thing,
You should TOTALLY read the one shot Metal about the Batman that infected himself with Doomsday's DNA. That was pretty baller.
Thanks Thomas I will. I'm not saying that Superman cannot be defeated. It is a pet peeve when Batman fans claim that not only can Batman defeat the character very easily. Their is a moment in a comic where Batman and Superman are fighting what seems to be a alternative or fake Superman. Instead it ends up a poor showing from Batman. He rushes to the vault to get the Kryptonite bullet given to him by Superman. Not only does the alternative version reach the vault first he kinds of goes "you realize I have super speed right".
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Hey let's not get insulting! Hawkman is NOTHING like Guy, Guy is a special breed of jerk character that started off as a joke and then became...something else. Ugh.
...or, dare we say it, a **Hawkgirl** movie?Oh heck yeah, I'd watch a Hawkgirl/woman movie way faster than a Hawkman movie, and not because of the gender thing, but because he's kind of a grumpy dick, and she brings a lot of the same stuff to the table without being quite so much of a curmudgeonly sourpuss.
She also plays better with groups, which makes her a more useful Bird of Prey / Justice Leaguer, IMO. He's a little too Guy Gardner, and while it's cool to showcase some inter-team drama, his attitudes tend to get exaggerated to the point that he, like Guy, comes across as a buffoon, and that doesn't really do him any favors.
I don't feel like Hawkman comes off like a buffoon (though I haven't read him in comics in a long time), but I agree he's a bit joyless.
And he was downright AWFUL in Legends of Tomorrow (and Kendra was, while better, was still also disappointing with waaaay too much reluctant superhero s%$+). It's a miracle that show survived him, but fortunately the CW sets different standards for renewal than most shows. I doubt we'll see a live action Hawkman again for awhile because he was fairly universally poorly received.
You know, if we are going to critique and analyze why the DC movies have had so many issues, I think we have to point our fingers at the the Warner Bros corporate side of things.Oh heavens yes.
"Hey, Nolan made us some bank with his Batman trilogy, let's do the director thing..."
"Should we at least make sure they're all reading from the same basic premise/vibe?"
"Nah."
"Hey, uh... Wonder Woman-"
"Yeah, well, we didn't think it'd-"
"No, no, it's.... selling like gangbusters?"
"WHAT?! IMPOSSIBLE!"
One of my favorite stories about Wonder Woman vs meddling executives is that WB REALLY wanted to remove the "No Man's Land" scene from the movie, thinking it was really pointless and dragged things down. It is of course to this day referenced as the best scene in the whole movie by countless reviews, social media discussions, and other press coverage. (The stupidly dragged out length of the final fight is probably the executives' fault too.) (Whether you personally agree whether it was a great scene or not is beside the point--the point is it's what's earned the movie a lot of accolades and coverage by the general public, and that was the part executives wanted to get rid of.)
Maybe that's really Marvel's secret: I am SURE Disney interferes behind the scenes, but they at least appear content to trust their creators' visions for the most part.
On the other hand, IIRC for Justice League and Suicide Squad, part of the executive meddling was to lighten up some of the content, which I think the movies needed to do. But I think they probably also demanded dark and gritty to begin with, so they were trying to cover their own asses after realizing they were wrong. And HOW the tone was changed was inconsistent at best.
In other news, would someone PLEASE hire Gail Simone to write the next Suicide Squad-esque type movie? She knows how to do "heroic villains" and "dark-but-funny" really well (read her Secret Six work if you don't believe me). Also Batgirl and Birds of Prey please.
That sounds awesome I'm gonna need to know the name of that one.Thing,
You should TOTALLY read the one shot Metal about the Batman that infected himself with Doomsday's DNA. That was pretty baller.
Dark Knights Metal: Batman: The Devastator.
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Hey let's not get insulting! Hawkman is NOTHING like Guy, Guy is a special breed of jerk character that started off as a joke and then became...something else. Ugh.
...or, dare we say it, a **Hawkgirl** movie?Oh heck yeah, I'd watch a Hawkgirl/woman movie way faster than a Hawkman movie, and not because of the gender thing, but because he's kind of a grumpy dick, and she brings a lot of the same stuff to the table without being quite so much of a curmudgeonly sourpuss.
She also plays better with groups, which makes her a more useful Bird of Prey / Justice Leaguer, IMO. He's a little too Guy Gardner, and while it's cool to showcase some inter-team drama, his attitudes tend to get exaggerated to the point that he, like Guy, comes across as a buffoon, and that doesn't really do him any favors.
I don't feel like Hawkman comes off like a buffoon (though I haven't read him in comics in a long time), but I agree he's a bit joyless.
And he was downright AWFUL in Legends of Tomorrow (and Kendra was, while better, was still also disappointing with waaaay too much reluctant superhero s!*#). It's a miracle that show survived him, but fortunately the CW sets different standards for renewal than most shows. I doubt we'll see a live action Hawkman again for awhile because he was fairly universally poorly received.
One of my...You know, if we are going to critique and analyze why the DC movies have had so many issues, I think we have to point our fingers at the the Warner Bros corporate side of things.Oh heavens yes.
"Hey, Nolan made us some bank with his Batman trilogy, let's do the director thing..."
"Should we at least make sure they're all reading from the same basic premise/vibe?"
"Nah."
"Hey, uh... Wonder Woman-"
"Yeah, well, we didn't think it'd-"
"No, no, it's.... selling like gangbusters?"
"WHAT?! IMPOSSIBLE!"
Gail is awesome.
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In other news, would someone PLEASE hire Gail Simone to write the next Suicide Squad-esque type movie? She knows how to do "heroic villains" and "dark-but-funny" really well (read her Secret Six work if you don't believe me).
That is something that DC really needs to get a handle on, making villains that are more than just one-dimensional CGI blobs.
Marvel has hit that ball awry a few times as well (Ronan, Malekith, Kaecilius, all lacking depth, and I'm not feeling Thanos yet, for that matter), but they've also got a Loki. Steppenwolf (and Ares), felt kind of blah, as villains go, and as we all learned from the first time Darth Vader walked onto our screens, a good villain is utterly necessary to sell a story about heroes.
In other news, would someone PLEASE hire Gail Simone to write the next Suicide Squad-esque type movie? She knows how to do "heroic villains" and "dark-but-funny" really well (read her Secret Six work if you don't believe me).That is something that DC really needs to get a handle on, making villains that are more than just one-dimensional CGI blobs.
Marvel has hit that ball awry a few times as well (Ronan, Malekith, Kaecilius, all lacking depth, and I'm not feeling Thanos yet, for that matter), but they've also got a Loki. Steppenwolf (and Ares), felt kind of blah, as villains go, and as we all learned from the first time Darth Vader walked onto our screens, a good villain is utterly necessary to sell a story about heroes.
I would argue that Marvel has hit that ball awry more often than not- it took Loki three appearances to really start working. Zemo, Hela, and Vulture, my top 3 Marvel cinematic villains, all rocked their stuff pretty recently.
If there's one area where DC has a chance to outdo Marvel, it's by giving us good villains. Sadly, they seem to have peaked with Zod so far.
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If there's one area where DC has a chance to outdo Marvel, it's by giving us good villains. Sadly, they seem to have peaked with Zod so far.
...and we kind of saw how that worked out.
Have to agree with the Baron... A *well-done* Victor Von Doom is overdue. It needs someone, though, that can properly being off a despotic hero in their own adventure of world-conquest. Enough to make his logic seem *solid* but at the same time, jarring.
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The key to making Doom work is simple. He's Darth Vader. Vader was inspired by Doom... they need to go back and have Doom inspired by Vader now.
The biggest baddest dude who NEVER shows his face, who just oozes malice as he walks into the room and has his subordinates wetting themselves if they displease him.
No more big name handsome actors who we see the 'pre-mask' days... nobody cares about victor... they need DR. DOOM. #1 villain of all comicdom.
Body actor and voice actor don't have to even be the same guy if you can find someone with a regal and intimidating stature and get someone like James Earl Jones to do the iconic voice... that's how you do it.
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The key to making Doom work is simple. He's Darth Vader. Vader was inspired by Doom... they need to go back and have Doom inspired by Vader now.
The biggest baddest dude who NEVER shows his face, who just oozes malice as he walks into the room and has his subordinates wetting themselves if they displease him.
No more big name handsome actors who we see the 'pre-mask' days... nobody cares about victor... they need DR. DOOM. #1 villain of all comicdom.
Body actor and voice actor don't have to even be the same guy if you can find someone with a regal and intimidating stature and get someone like James Earl Jones to do the iconic voice... that's how you do it.
^ F%%&ing this!
Throw in an eastern European accent. I can see Jeremy Irons nailing Doom. And put a talented physical actor known for being terrifying in the suit (Kane Hodder comes to mind).
For the MCU I'd love to see Doom start out as a Tony Stark level inventing genius. Something of a dark mirror, with an array of suits for every occasion, and decoys. Maybe he got a hold of a few Ultron chassis, reverse engineered them and turned them into Doom Bots.
Sequel time, he becomes a Dr. Strange villain, learning magic in the same rushed, arrogant way Strange did. Another dark mirror sort of thing.
Then he goes home and runs his country like Anti-Wokanda until things get bad enough that the heroes have to cut a deal with him.
And in addition, to make the screw turn even tighter, Doom needs to be able to show his 'merciful side'*.
Back to JL: Was tempted to go watch today, but is going to wait for it to hit the cheap shows.
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The key to making Doom work is simple. He's Darth Vader. Vader was inspired by Doom... they need to go back and have Doom inspired by Vader now.
The biggest baddest dude who NEVER shows his face, who just oozes malice as he walks into the room and has his subordinates wetting themselves if they displease him.
No more big name handsome actors who we see the 'pre-mask' days... nobody cares about victor... they need DR. DOOM. #1 villain of all comicdom.
Body actor and voice actor don't have to even be the same guy if you can find someone with a regal and intimidating stature and get someone like James Earl Jones to do the iconic voice... that's how you do it.
^ F%#$ing this!
Throw in an eastern European accent. I can see Jeremy Irons nailing Doom. And put a talented physical actor known for being terrifying in the suit (Kane Hodder comes to mind).
For the MCU I'd love to see Doom start out as a Tony Stark level inventing genius. Something of a dark mirror, with an array of suits for every occasion, and decoys. Maybe he got a hold of a few Ultron chassis, reverse engineered them and turned them into Doom Bots.
Sequel time, he becomes a Dr. Strange villain, learning magic in the same rushed, arrogant way Strange did. Another dark mirror sort of thing.
Then he goes home and runs his country like Anti-Wokanda until things get bad enough that the heroes have to cut a deal with him.
If told in flashback.
Doom is Doom. When he showed up in Fantastic Four #5, he was DOOM. Not apprentice doom or just learning to build weapons or magic... he was DOOM.
He should be the Thanos/Ronan level 'wet yourself when you hear you've made an enemy of him' type of enemy. He has robots and armor because Doom has Robots and Armor. If governements don't know about them 'ala IM2, that's because he didn't want them to know.
I really don't want Doom playing catch up with Stark Tech or following in Stranges Footsteps.... He's there because he's there. Any explaination of his abilities is exposition, but right here and right now.... He is DOOM.
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MovieBob is a film and game critic who I like quite a bit. He really knows his nerd culture stuff regarding comics, games, RPGs and their history, and also knows film making and narrative structure inside and out. (I have a degree in theatre and a minor in history, so dramaturgy and cultural significance stuff is all very near and dear to my heart).
He has an ongoing series called Really That Good where he does reviews of culturally and historically important films and breaks down what makes them so great. It's a series of love letters to movies best described as "we all think this is awesome, so lets really analyze what makes it awesome so we might be able to make more awesome things like it." Most of them are 10 to 30 minutes long and really worth watching for any nerd movie fan. Here's the one for The Avengers. It's a great starting point for his stuff and provides a great comparison point for the DCU stuff.
He said he was never going to do a Really That Bad series because it felt too cynical and mean.
He broke his rule for Batman v. Superman. He broke it hard. It was originally going to be a one episode analysis, but according to his blog it just kept growing and growing as he did more and more research into the film.
In the end, it ended up being 3 parts, and is longer than the movie it critiques.
The third one is still being made.
I posted all that because it's great stuff for anyone who really wants to delve into the nitty-gritty of how and why BvS was such a clusterf&&@, but also to give the context for This Review of Justice League, which pretty much sums up my thoughts on the film, and the whole franchise.