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I have a paladin on a game and i was thinking on getting some levels on vigilante, the question is about dual identity, what happens when you develop a new persona with a non lawful good alignment? do you lose your powers? also if one identity breaks the paladin code, do both personas lose their powers or one?
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You could perhaps attempt a disguise check against your deity to avoid falling?
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The Vigilante description includes the following line:
For the purpose of meeting a qualification for a feat, class, or any ability, he is only eligible if both of his alignments meet the requirements.
So you need both your identities to be LG if you want to maintain any Paladin abilities. And yeah, breaking your Code as either would lose you your Paladin abilities for both.
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If you break the paladin code in any way it seems to make you lose your powers if you are going by the rules.
As a GM I would say you count as alignment ____ for effects such as spells, detection and so on, but you are still really LF. However, that is me being nice, not the actual rule.
Basically, the vigilante class does not work well mechanically with paladins unless the GM helps him out.
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I mean, I really like Johnny's answer more than the rules.
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i think lying to your own source of power night cause the code to twang a bit, but it'd be a hell of a session.
Actually, Paladins can't lie at all without needing to atone, right? I think having a dual identity might not be compatible, unless you were open about being both War Machine and Col Rhodes.
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i think lying to your own source of power night cause the code to twang a bit, but it'd be a hell of a session.
That, and I'mm pretty sure deities have better than the +100 Perception you need to automatically see through even the best Vigilante's Disguise bonuses.
Actually, Paladins can't lie at all without needing to atone, right? I think having a dual identity might not be compatible, unless you were open about being both War Machine and Col Rhodes.
I'd be inclined to argue that having different names you go by in different circumstances isn't actually the same thing as lying. As long as they were both LG and neither broke the Paladin Code, I think you'd be fine.
Having an Aura of Good in both identities would somewhat limit the utility of having two...but I don't think merely having them would break the Paladin Code.
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Welp thats too bad i guess i wont be taking that level on vigilante, still I have some doubts regarding this lines
"When in an identity, he is treated as having
that identity’s alignment for all spells, magic items, and
abilities that rely on alignment."
wouldn't that mean that abilities that depend on alignment work right? like pally abilities?
"For the purpose of meeting
a qualification for a feat, class, or any ability, he is only
eligible if both of his alignments meet the requirements."
I think this part means that i wouldn't be able to level up as a paladin anymore tough
toughs?
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Heh, without the 'must qualify under all identities' requirement, things could get complicated;
Vigilante 1 / Masked Performer Bard 1 / Paladin 1 / Antipaladin 1
Social identity - True Neutral
Masked / Paladin identity - Lawful Good
Vigilante / Antipaladin identity - Chaotic Evil
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Heh, without the 'must qualify under all identities' requirement, things could get complicated;
Vigilante 1 / Masked Performer Bard 1 / Paladin 1 / Antipaladin 1
Social identity - True Neutral
Masked / Paladin identity - Lawful Good
Vigilante / Antipaladin identity - Chaotic Evil
lol i never thought of that, thats insanity !xD
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Isn't there an alchemist class archetype where they get an opposite personality? Addressed there, probably.
Anyway, haven't read the Ultimate Intrigue yet, but basically it should come down to choice. If the paladin is choosing to switch alignments, then he'd need to atone (or at least it would suppress the paladin abilities during the time spent as another alignment). If the alignment switch represents an involuntary alignment change, the need atone is gone, but he'd still be an ex-paladin while his alignment didn't match the class requirement.