Does Eldritch Knight level boost Wizard's casting level ability to enhance Arcane Bonded item?


Rules Questions

Silver Crusade

At 5th level the Wizard can start doing some enhancements (like +1). However, if the character switches over to Eldritch Knight progression after reaching Fighter-1/Wizard-5, does the extra arcane casting levels gained from the Eldritch Knight allow the character to do higher level enhancements?

For example, at 2nd level of Eldritch Knight they gain +1 arcane casting level. Does that mean that it stacks with the 5 levels the Wizard originally had and now the Eldritch Knight (Wizard) can enhance his bonded item to +2?


Relevant FAQ says that Eldritch Knight prestige increases the following:

Caster Level
Spell per Day
Spell Known (only if Spontaneous)

For this case, you would count as CL 6 at 8th level, and you'd have the spells per day of a 6th level Wizard. You wouldn't gain any extra spells known outside of finding them written or borrowing a spellbook and scribing them that way.

So yes, by 8th level, he would have the CL requirement met to add +2 to his weapon. Also note that it's not absolutely mandatory, as he may instead add +5 to the DC to skip that requirement.


Well, eldritch knight raised your effective caster level so any effect dependant on caster level is increased. What is not increasing is your overall Wizard level. So is the effect you are looking at based on caster or Wizard level?

Silver Crusade

Also, this is in regards to PFS, so I don't think the +5 to DC would be of any help.


Prethen wrote:
Also, this is in regards to PFS, so I don't think the +5 to DC would be of any help.

Honestly, if it's PFS, I don't think they'd even let you craft the item at all, since as far as I know, all kinds of crafting is forbidden. I'd just confirm what you can and can't do with your Arcane Bond with your PFS Coordinators and such, as any help I might give you here (such as stating that your CLs would stack) might not do anything (because you're not allowed to enhance your Arcane Bond).

That being said, if you are allowed to enhance your Arcane Bond via the crafting feats, then they would, by the laws of PFS, be required to follow the general rules of crafting.

Here is a FAQ that mentions what you absolutely must have: here, and then proceeds to state that outside of having the relevant feat and having the spells if the item is a potion, spell-trigger, or spell-completion item. Everything else is not "required," but makes it difficult to craft if you don't have it.

Also, the relevant text:

Quote:
Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by +5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting their spell prerequisites.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Prethen wrote:
Also, this is in regards to PFS, so I don't think the +5 to DC would be of any help.
Honestly, if it's PFS, I don't think they'd even let you craft the item at all, since as far as I know, all kinds of crafting is forbidden. I'd just confirm what you can and can't do with your Arcane Bond with your PFS Coordinators and such, as any help I might give you here (such as stating that your CLs would stack) might not do anything (because you're not allowed to enhance your Arcane Bond).

Bonded Items are an exception to the usual PFS ban on crafting.

PFS FAQ wrote:

Can an Arcane Bonded Item be upgraded?

A character with the arcane bond class feature may create a bond with any item he owns, either magical or mundane, as long as the item falls within the categories permitted by the arcane bond ability (the cost for bonding with a new item still applies). If a caster later wishes to upgrade an existing bonded item, he may do so for the cost (not price) of the final item as listed in the item's statblock.

For items which can be enhanced incrementally (such as weapons or a ring of protection), the caster must meet all prerequisites for the item as outlined in the item crafting rules. For example, a nonmagical bonded dagger can be enchanted to a +1 dagger for 1,000 gp instead of the normal 2,000 gp, but the caster must be at least 5th level (a prerequisite for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat). To upgrade the item further to a +2 dagger, the caster must have a caster level of 6 or higher (three times the item's enhancement bonus).

A bonded item that is enhanced must still conform to all the campaign rules for access to and upgrading of magical items. The final and total price of the item (not the cost) is used on the Fame chart to determine whether a caster can apply such an enhancement to a bonded item.


Gisher wrote:
Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Prethen wrote:
Also, this is in regards to PFS, so I don't think the +5 to DC would be of any help.
Honestly, if it's PFS, I don't think they'd even let you craft the item at all, since as far as I know, all kinds of crafting is forbidden. I'd just confirm what you can and can't do with your Arcane Bond with your PFS Coordinators and such, as any help I might give you here (such as stating that your CLs would stack) might not do anything (because you're not allowed to enhance your Arcane Bond).

Bonded Items are an exception to the usual PFS ban on crafting.

PFS FAQ wrote:

Can an Arcane Bonded Item be upgraded?

A character with the arcane bond class feature may create a bond with any item he owns, either magical or mundane, as long as the item falls within the categories permitted by the arcane bond ability (the cost for bonding with a new item still applies). If a caster later wishes to upgrade an existing bonded item, he may do so for the cost (not price) of the final item as listed in the item's statblock.

For items which can be enhanced incrementally (such as weapons or a ring of protection), the caster must meet all prerequisites for the item as outlined in the item crafting rules. For example, a nonmagical bonded dagger can be enchanted to a +1 dagger for 1,000 gp instead of the normal 2,000 gp, but the caster must be at least 5th level (a prerequisite for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat). To upgrade the item further to a +2 dagger, the caster must have a caster level of 6 or higher (three times the item's enhancement bonus).

A bonded item that is enhanced must still conform to all the campaign rules for access to and upgrading of magical items. The final and total price of the item (not the cost) is used on the Fame chart to determine whether a caster can apply such an enhancement to a bonded item.

I don't see anything specifically limiting the general rule of bypassing the requirements. The only thing it mentions is that you must meet the pre-requisites of the crafting feat (CL 5) in order to actually enhance it, which makes sense.

So as far as I can tell, he can still take the +5 to the DC. And if he can't, it doesn't matter since EK levels increase his CL (well, besides the 1st anyway).

Grand Lodge

Magical Knack is a thing, too. ;)


"and if he meets the level prerequisites of the feat". The item creation feats don't have class level prerequisites, they have caster level prerequisites.

Silver Crusade

That's what I was trying to confirm. Basically, the magical crafting ability is tied to CASTER level not CLASS level. It sounds like that EK will stack with it.

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