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The easiest and lowest level way is for the DM to have a portal appear in the first game.
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Greater teleport has no range limit. Interplanetary teleport is not needed.
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I think the lowest level way to reach Aucturn from Golarion would to be a Wyrwood and simply "Fly" (a level 3 spell) to Aucturn from Golarion. There are no rules that state one can't simply keep on flying past the atmosphere into space when using the Fly spell. This might be a bit slow though.
A bit. Aucturn is the Neptune/Pluto-equivalent of the Golarion system, and it took the New Horizons probe just shy of 10 years to reach Pluto - and I guarantee you it was going a great deal faster than one goes with the fly spell (60 ft/round AKA 10 feet/second).
The most likely way a low-level party gets to Aucturn is to be abducted by some cultists/monsters/monster cultists with access to portals and/or high-level spells. Just be sure to have your weapons ready as soon as any of them say anything about "loving."
Yeah, the easiest way is going to be to cast Plane Shift twice. You wont get to a specific destination on Acturn, but you'll make it to the planet quite easily.
Surviving once you reach the planet...well that's a different question entirely.
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Given a large enough catapult, a long enough rope, and a gullible enough halfing...
Weird.
Is there any errata on Greater Teleport suggesting it only functions within the same world and cannot travel the vast distances of space? Why would they put a 9th circle Interplanetary Teleport spell in if Greater Teleport would work?
My interpretation of the two spells suggests that Greater Teleport's "no range limit" does have a range limit because Interplanetary Teleport says except there is truly no range limit and you do not need to have seen your destination.
Though without errata on G. Teleport and assuming the range truly isn't the issue with either spell, then the only distinction is that if you want to go to Aucturn with Greater Teleport you need a clear picture of the destination (or at least a reliable description of the destination) ... i.e. the actual destination on Aucturn. That alone would make Greater Teleport to Aucturn difficult. However, with interplanetary teleport you can just say "Aucturn".
I also would agree that Plane Shift twice would work just as nicely.
These travel spells aren't really flushed out that well ... especially Plane Shift.
quibblemuch If you have someone on the other side who can cast Resurrection you're golden.
I fail to see the necessity...
Sell your soul to a sympathetic devil. No level or cost (gold) restrictions.
Teleport lists a range limit. It also specifies that interplanetary travel isn't possible.
Not so. Please quote the line of text since I can't see it.
It does say that
Interplanar travel is not possible.
Are you misreading? or is this text somewhere else, like FAQ or errata?
@Adam, since you are already looking at the thread, can you clarify the Greater Teleport vs. Interplanetary Travel aspect?
(which of course is a completely moot distinction since you can easily Plane Shift twice, which means that Cleric 9 is likely the quickest route to Aucturn)
Actually, at Cleric 7 you can use Lesser Planar Ally to *hopefully* get an ally that can planeshift, like a Djinni.
So, while not the most reliable, it is lower level than using Plane Shift itself. Now you just need to know a Djinni's name that is willing to Plane Shift to Aucturn.
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Greater teleport (rules line) does say range: unlimited (or similar, I didn't look it up).
'Distant Worlds' clarifies that this is not true for interplanetary travel (page 53).
Page 3 of that same (and amazingly awesome) book also explains that simply plane shifting twice isn't a viable method for interplanetary travel.
These are in the campaign setting line, so they are mostly flavor for golarion.
But there are giant space whales that can carry passengers (by swallowing them) to other planets in 3d20 days.
That devil is looking pretty tempting I would say. ;)
I think the core rules assume you're operating on the same planet, especially since (if I remember correctly) the multiverse in D&D 3.5e isolated each world as its own plane of existance
Yeah, I was looking at the CR like a homer. So distant worlds isn't in the PRD, correct?
Yeah, I was looking at the CR like a homer. So distant worlds isn't in the PRD, correct?
Setting-specific books would not be.
Page 3 of that same (and amazingly awesome) book also explains that simply plane shifting twice isn't a viable method for interplanetary travel.Can you go into more detail about this?
In short; you need a special focus for the spell to arive on a different planet, otherwise planeshift takes you to the planet you're 'most familiar with'.
Every location on the material plane is equidistant from other planes, if you didn't have rules guiding where you end up you'll most likely end up in an empty part of space as there is a lot of that.Outsiders with (sp) planeshift might be less restricted as they don't see the planets as all that different from one another.
The book only covers these things in less than half a page, so a lot is up to the GM.
-- my way --
The way I play it is the focus needed for planeshift is specific to one location on one plane.
Lesser foci are just tied to a plane and very dangerous to use.
(And these are NOT in a component pouch).
'Distant Worlds' clarifies that this is not true for interplanetary travel (page 53).
Page 3 of that same (and amazingly awesome) book also explains that simply plane shifting twice isn't a viable method for interplanetary travel.
Thank god that's golarion only.
Thank god that's golarion only.'Distant Worlds' clarifies that this is not true for interplanetary travel (page 53).
Page 3 of that same (and amazingly awesome) book also explains that simply plane shifting twice isn't a viable method for interplanetary travel.
Huh? If it's not Golarion, then there are the planes and planets you decide as well as the methods of transport you decide. Even if you do use Golarion if your table doesn't like it then don't use it.
I'm not a fan of players solving everything with a standard spell, it defeats the purpose of having an interplanetary adventure.
I for one think the Distant Worlds ruling is far more pleasing, flavor-wise. The last thing PF needs is having any more modes of impossible-distances-instant-teleporting even more readily available. The only thing that's wrong is that plane shift isn't also a 9th-level spell...
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In short; you need a special focus for the spell to arive on a different planet, otherwise planeshift takes you to the planet you're 'most familiar with'.That's pretty reasonable and sensible. Does that mean that there might be strange or non-standard forked rods that would let one plane-shift to secret and hidden regions in the the planes? For example, special rods to plane-shift to border regions between planes.
Unspecified. So - yes! Absolutely.
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Huh? If it's not Golarion, then there are the planes and planets you decide as well as the methods of transport you decide. Even if you do use Golarion if your table doesn't like it then don't use it.
I prefer to not homebrew when I can. It's abit weird a spell says "You can teleport anywhere at any distance... unless it's another planet... then you can't go there... but you could go to a space station just outside the atmosphere" meaning your changing nothing, and the fact that it's completely arbitary since there is real reason why these spells don't function for interseller travel beyond "we didn't want players to do that".
I'm not a fan of players solving everything with a standard spell, it defeats the purpose of having an interplanetary adventure.
It only "solves" it with planets where you have a reliable description of a location to that planet.
The last thing PF needs is having any more modes of impossible-distances-instant-teleporting even more readily available.
I'm not sure I understand how it makes them more readily available. Could you expand on this so I can better understand?
Well, my point was basically that, yes, as written, greater teleport should allow you to get to another planet. However, until other planets are introduced as a major part of a setting, that's probably not something that will come up often. Therefore, when a book like Distant Worlds comes out, it makes sense that you would re-evaluate spells like greater teleport (not explicitly designed with interplanetary travel in mind, arguably, as this doesn't tend to be a feature of fantasy) and think about whether they should allow interplanetary travel (as per the original RAW) or if it would make sense to rewrite them to prohibit it. In that case I am all for the latter. This all just to my personal taste though. I think teleport, greater teleport and plane shift all come online too early.
Sorry, I think I worded myself rather clumsily originally with that whole "more readily available" line. Didn't quite express my actual sentiment.
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not explicitly designed with interplanetary travel in mind, arguably, as this doesn't tend to be a feature of fantasy
Actually, the gamesmastery guide specifically acknowledges that as written, you can do interplanetary travel with greater teleport.
Spells: Teleportation spells are important to considerwhen establishing extraplanetary locations. Can a wizard simply cast greater teleport or wish, or is more required to reach the stars? Be warned that easy access to the galaxy brings a host of concerns—such as why, if interplanetary travel is easy, aliens aren’t thronging your base world.
Personally I prefer this take, where it is allowed by RAW. But left to the GM to decide whether it works on a setting by setting basis.
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you need a special focus for the spell to arive on a different planetA spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus.
That is from PCS: Distant Worlds.
So? By 'you' I meant 'you as a player'. And if a player somehow gets (sp) planeshift - I would still require a focus... because I'm a jerk GM who says you lack the inherent understanding of planar travel that allows some creatures with that ability inherent to their kind to travel without foci.
Also
Outsiders with (sp) planeshift might be less restricted as they don't see the planets as all that different from one another
Or am I completely missing you point?
Yeah, I would agree that some good house rules are
- greater teleport works only on your current planet or plane
- plane shift works only to the planet you are most familiar with without a check, but there could be a check or focus otherwise
- interplanetary travel (or wish, miracle) will get you across space in the material plane
@Milo: Right. I can't seem to express myself clearly, and never having so much as leafed through the game mastery guide doesn't seem to be helping me make sense. :P
From a personal standpoint, I don't care whether it's RAW or not. I only play home games and we houserule everything to kingdom come. I just meant I prefer to have interplanar and interplanetary travel be super-difficult, and I applaud steps in that direction wherever I find them. That being said, I definitely agree it's better left up to individual GMs, as per that passage you just quoted, of whose existence I was unaware.
@Milo: Right. I can't seem to express myself clearly, and never having so much as leafed through the game mastery guide doesn't seem to be helping me make sense. :P
From a personal standpoint, I don't care whether it's RAW or not. I only play home games and we houserule everything to kingdom come. I just meant I prefer to have interplanar and interplanetary travel be super-difficult, and I applaud steps in that direction wherever I find them. That being said, I definitely agree it's better left up to individual GMs, as per that passage you just quoted, of whose existence I was unaware.
Oh I know you were saying your preference not discussing rules minutiae. I was more attempting to say that it actually was taken into consideration with Pathfinder (i doubt it was for 3.5e though) so it's not an oversight, just an open door that you can choose to close if you wish.
Yeah. I'm kinda stuck in this thinking about PF as a strict fantasy game (probably since I don't play in Golarion), but that doesn't really comport with the breadth of material that's currently available for the system.
Yeah. I'm kinda stuck in this thinking about PF as a strict fantasy game (probably since I don't play in Golarion), but that doesn't really comport with the breadth of material that's currently available for the system.
Heh, I dislike golarion because of it's mixed themes, but my settings are things like manapunk (not just steampunk with magic paint -.-), stone age, modern with minor magic, plane-opera (like space opera but with demons rather than little green men), etc. :P
One of the great things about PF... If you want it to be something non-standard fantasy you can, but you don't have to.
Why use greater teleport in that ship? It either does the whole job on it's own or nothing, depending on the setting.
I have no idea how fast repeatedly teleporting while using Shadow Walk would be though. I think it's supposed to be ambiguous so that it can be hand-waved by the DM though.
How fast teleporting is never changes, since it's instantaneous.
Milo v3, yes you can definitely make up a custom magical item or spell to travel fast for your setting but I was having fun coming up with ideas for how to do it within the bounds of the existing rules.
Yes... I know. I wasn't talking about a custom anything. I was talking rules, since by the rules greater teleport either Automatically gets you to your destination without needing all those other spells, or you cannot use it for installer travel at all if the setting says you can't (like golarion). I think you may have misinterpreted my post.
What is left ambiguous is how long the Shadow Walk spell takes and not Teleportation.
Shadow Walk says "In the region of shadow, you move at a rate of 50 miles per hour", so I'm not sure how it is ambiguous...
So? By 'you' I meant 'you as a player'. And if a player somehow gets (sp) planeshift - I would still require a focus...
Players don't somehow get unstandard abilities. You as a GM are the one responsible for whatever players get, for good or ill.