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Grey,

I think Kadabra is more of a patsy for whom ever DID remove Wally. Which I still think might be the Time Trapper. I'm also positive it/Time Trapper connects to Watchmen in some fashion...


Matthew Morris wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

I agree with Charles. I think if people found out about ways to make themselves on or just below par of what Superman can do, it's basically bringing out a Super Hero arms race that Batman wouldn't want to deal with. See - Kingdom Come.

Also Tim isn't dead. He's just stuck right now between plot holes.

Yeah I was just keeping his status redacted. It is an interesting concept though, if she becomes Red Robin and Tim comes back, having two red robins like two flashes or all the green lanterns.

Tim will be back. I'm hoping the two year plan pans out.

I like how you think.

Could it be folded into we are robin?

I hope so.


Free,

It's not the worst idea I've heard...


Charles Scholz wrote:

I hope Gotham Girl stays on. I hope they find a way for her to keep her powers at a reduced level so it isn't killing her.

Of course, if that happened then everyone in the DC Earth would start wanting super powers. Could Batman live with that???
No. He would shut it down immediately.

It's been done before. During the '52' series where Batman took a vacation for a year, Lex gave powers to thousands of people. Then when it wouldn't work on him, cut it off and let them fall to their deaths....

but yeah, the arms race was touched on before, and Batman didn't come out of hiding to stop it.,..


So, "Superwoman"...

Spoiler:

Nu-Lois, still dead, as I predicted (and am very sad about) and Lex's "I got this on Apokalips when they made me a Big-G God" Mother Box is now somehow "Defective"?

Lena Luthor, new Wizard Of Oz Floating Head Villain?

Hm.

Still wondering what they're going to do with Supergirl. The current plotline seems to be a re-hash of the story they did before Convergence. Which is frustrating, because it's been done before.

Action Comics and Earth 2 Society were both pretty good this week, I thought.


Jem,

I think the reason for the holding pattern for Supergirl is that DC is waiting for the TV show to sort of...catch up to the current comics in some ways.

I could be wrong but that's just one idea I have.

Phantom,

52 also had a lot of Dido involvement that I never liked.

Scarab Sages

Greylurker wrote:


I'm trying to figure out how Kadabra over in Titans fits into everything.

Now he is claiming to be the reason Wally was shoved out of time and forgotten but looking at the story with the perspective of a Reader that doesn't feel right. Plus the not so subtle "oh my nose dropped a bit of blood on my watch would you just look at that" kind of reinforces that feeling.

Someone is trying to clean up a mess ad is using Kadabra to do it.

There was a story from a few years back, where Kadabra "cast a spell" which made everyone forget Linda Park, thus somehow causing she and Wally to get stuck as kind of phantoms whom no one could see except Bart (because he was a time traveler). This does seem very similar to that.


and you gotta admit, Mr. Oz's whole hooded robed figure dose look a heck of a lot like the Time Trapper. Robes just need to be a little more purple

or perhaps they have been stained dark by the nature of the Watchmen's timeline


Grey,

Or he somehow got these robes blended thanks to messing around with all those Time frames. Regardless Oz might be Time Trapper, but not 100% sure I think that's accurate.

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I do like the Lois Lane story on reading it. They touched on her being older, but not how she kept people from noticing. Also enjoyed Kal-el teasing her about her having a 'secret identity'.

Also am enjoying Deathstroke, primarily for Rose I'll admit. Damian's comment about a Hmong girl using katana made me laugh.


Matthew,

It is good especially now that Nu-52 Lois is probably gone...


This weeks Wonder Woman was interesting. Focus on the background of Cheetah and I have to say I loved it. This combined with the new revalations about how she and that nasty God of her's are connected have really added to her character without taking anything away. I am looking forward to more ofthe flashbacks to see how she and Diana were in the early days. This is a bright....no more than bright, a genius of a young woman who has idolized the stories of the Amazons most of her life and now she is face to face with one. I am more interested in the flashback story than I am of the present day story


Backstory cheetah is better than current cheetah, no question Grey.

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Read Teen Titans and Superman 10 and have a few questions.
Not much of a Batman fan, nor did I read new 52, so I don't know that much about Damian Wayne except what I got from Wikipedia, (which did not answer all my questions).

What is with that bat-winged thing?
Why does Damian have a zoo and where did the dinosaur come from?
Who is the girl Maya?
Why isn't she a part of the Teen Titans group Damien is putting together?
Since when are Starfire, Raven and Changeling teenagers again?
Starfire wasn't when she was a part of Red Hood's Outlaws, nor her own recent series in which she and Dick Grayson were ex-lovers.


Charles,

The bat winged thing is Goliath and he acquired Goliath (and Maya to a degree) in his own mini-series. Maya is actually the daughter of another Batman villain, Mister Nobody who himself was the son of the guy that trained Batman as a detective/manhunter.

Why she isn't apart of the Titans, my best guess is she said no.

As for that last one...I can't answer that except that Raven and Changeling were rebooted back in the last issue to Teen Age status.

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Another Batman villain has a kid who hates his/her parent?

Do you mean the last issue of new 52?


Charles,

Yes.

I honestly can't remember other than Mister Nobody was either pre or post Flashpoint. But it's getting hard to remember the difference now.


Wow, the bombshell they just dropped in Wonder Woman was a big one. Still no closer to figuring out what is going on but the implications are getting pretty huge now.

and I am loving Etta Candy, great re-addition to the cast.


Greylurker wrote:
Wow, the bombshell they just dropped in Wonder Woman was a big one.

Haven't read any WW under Rebirth. What's going on?


Damon Griffin wrote:
Greylurker wrote:
Wow, the bombshell they just dropped in Wonder Woman was a big one.
Haven't read any WW under Rebirth. What's going on?

I thinnk it's been really good so far. They added a lot to the Cheetah's character and are re-introducing some older WW cast like Etta Candy. Plus really solidifying Wonder Woman's backstory and dealing with inconsistancies.

Spoiler:

DC has been releasing the book twice a month with the 2nd issue being a new version of Wonder Woman's Origin. Meeting Steve Trevor, leaving the island, getting her powers, etc...

In the main story Wonder Woman finds herself with conflicting memories and thanks to using the Lasso on herself discovers that someone has been messing with her mind. Strangely unable to return to Themyscira she sets out on a quest to find it. Along the way she helps free Cheetah from her curse.

On finally reaching home things feel ....wrong somehow. So once more she uses the Lasso on herself and the Illusion shatters. Themyascria is a lie, the Amazons she always returns to are a lie, her mother is a lie.

She has never been home since the very first day she left it. Every story involving the Amazon's is a lie, implanted in her mind by an unknown enemy

Meanwhile Etta Candy kicks some ass, faces down Dr. Vironica Cale, shoots robots in the face and takes on some really nasty looking Dogs.

She doesn't want to shoot the dogs

but she will


Grey is correct but not sure if it's only Diana that's has her memories altered. I mean Steve remember stuff from Pre-Crisis it seemed. So whatever is the cause, I think we'll find out as we move along.

Plus yes Veronica Cale is back. I liked her as a WW foe back in 2006, so seeing her again as a foe in this new iteration will be excellent.

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Not following Wonder Woman, but I am interested in this 'two year plan' for REbirth. Looks like Action Comics, Titans, The Flash and Wonder Woman are the flagships for that.

I'm enjoying Deathstroke, well except for Jericho's apparent bisexuality.


Matthew,

I haven't had much reading done with Deathstroke since it feels a little...flat to me.

But yeah the other stuff is Rebirthing even more.


Matthew Morris wrote:

Not following Wonder Woman, but I am interested in this 'two year plan' for REbirth. Looks like Action Comics, Titans, The Flash and Wonder Woman are the flagships for that.

I'm enjoying Deathstroke, well except for Jericho's apparent bisexuality.

?

If you thought that man was straight in the 80s, you missed something.


Free,

I thought Joseph had severe mental problems not related sexual identity myself.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

Not following Wonder Woman, but I am interested in this 'two year plan' for REbirth. Looks like Action Comics, Titans, The Flash and Wonder Woman are the flagships for that.

I'm enjoying Deathstroke, well except for Jericho's apparent bisexuality.

?

If you thought that man was straight in the 80s, you missed something.

Or maybe not

George Perez wrote:
While Marv and I did discuss the possibility of Joseph Wilson being gay, Marv decided that it was too much of a stereotype to have the sensitive, artistic, and wide-eyed character with arguably effeminate features be also homosexual. While I think that may or may not have been a righteous concern, we did establish the character as heterosexual throughout the series.


puts on tinfoil hat

Yeah, I remember that statement/arguement, but I and others didn't buy it. Wolfman and Perez kneeled to editorial/time period pressure. The character was simply too much of stereotype to *not* be gay, if that makes sense.


In any case, we'll just have to see how Rebirth shakes out.

Right now apparently, Hal Jordan is dead again and only Kyle Rayner can save him.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

In any case, we'll just have to see how Rebirth shakes out.

Right now apparently, Hal Jordan is dead again and only Kyle Rayner can save him.

I love how the one guardian is freaking out about Hal's self made ring and Gathnet is like "Yeah....if anyone was gonna do that it would be Jordan, What a scamp"


Sayd is freaking out? I think she was more worried about someone other than Kyle Rayner finding out they're still alive after all the crap the other Guardians pulled with the First Lantern and stuff.

Scarab Sages

One thing I'm looking forward to from DC is the 12-issue Kamandi Challenge. From the DC website...

Prepare to take part in one of the greatest adventures from the infinite future of the DC Universe, and join the industry’s top creative teams in a round-robin, no-holds-barred, storytelling extravaganza titled THE KAMANDI CHALLENGE!

Born from the mind of Jack “King” Kirby, the post apocalyptic Earth of Kamandi has been a fan favorite for decades, and now 14 intrepid teams of writers and artists build on this incredible foundation and take the title character on an epic quest to find his long-lost parents and travel to places seen and unseen in the DC Universe.

Each issue will end with an unimaginable cliffhanger, and it’s up to the next creative team to resolve it before creating their own. It’s a challenge worthy of “The King” himself! In this premiere issue, the Last Boy on Earth is dragged from his safe haven by a group of tigers, only to face the nightmarish threat of the ultimate weapon! 

Sometimes this kind of storytelling can be really enjoyable. My old Philly gaming group ran a campaign on a premise like this - with each person taking turns as DM and picking up with where the previous DM left off. I look forward to this.

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Sounds fun.


I always found Kamandi to be an unlikable little b!~##, is he really a fan favorite?


Aberzombie wrote:

One thing I'm looking forward to from DC is the 12-issue Kamandi Challenge. From the DC website...

Prepare to take part in one of the greatest adventures from the infinite future of the DC Universe, and join the industry’s top creative teams in a round-robin, no-holds-barred, storytelling extravaganza titled THE KAMANDI CHALLENGE!

Born from the mind of Jack “King” Kirby, the post apocalyptic Earth of Kamandi has been a fan favorite for decades, and now 14 intrepid teams of writers and artists build on this incredible foundation and take the title character on an epic quest to find his long-lost parents and travel to places seen and unseen in the DC Universe.

Each issue will end with an unimaginable cliffhanger, and it’s up to the next creative team to resolve it before creating their own. It’s a challenge worthy of “The King” himself! In this premiere issue, the Last Boy on Earth is dragged from his safe haven by a group of tigers, only to face the nightmarish threat of the ultimate weapon! 

Sometimes this kind of storytelling can be really enjoyable. My old Philly gaming group ran a campaign on a premise like this - with each person taking turns as DM and picking up with where the previous DM left off. I look forward to this.

Or it can just be an incoherent mess.

They did something similar back in the 80s, though this seems more focused. It got pretty crazy and didn't really hold together well.
Interesting to read, just for the amusement of picturing each team looking at the previous issue's mess and wondering what to do. Not so great as a story on its own.

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Sundakan wrote:
I always found Kamandi to be an unlikable little b~$++, is he really a fan favorite?

I would say "it depends". I'm sure there are some people out there who love the character. I'm indifferent to him.


Kamandi? Really?

I guess he has a fan base somewhere....


Everything Kirby did has a fan base somewhere.

It's usually better to try to find reprints of the Kirby stories than to read the modern takes.

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Freehold DM wrote:

Kamandi? Really?

I guess he has a fan base somewhere....

Meh. The way I see it, if it doesn't sell well, they can always just stop it, without having a plethora of fans b$@$& and moan.

Me, I like a good, self-contained mini-/maxi-series. That's the other big reason why I'll at least get the first issue or two.


So besides Kamandi stuff, is anyone else interested in what DC is offering for the future?

I mean I know some here are like what the hell about Titans and such...

But I'm personally wondering if this new arc of Superman and the Multiverse might give us more insight into what the hell is going on.


I'm interested in the Super Sons series they have coming because I think the idea of Jon and Damien teaming up is gonna be fun.

I'm waiting for Jonny Thunder's Pen to show up, cause I think that's gonna trigger the return of the JSA

There is clearly something building towards the Legion's return between the mystery girl in Arkham and the Emerald Empress over in the JLA vs. Squad story.

and just kind of a small side thing there is the Lobo mystery. There is the Lobo (Who was a slaver and more a bastard than pre-52) that was killed off by his Nu52 replacement, there is NuBo himself (who frankly is just meh for me) and now we have what appears to be Main Man Lobo released from some kind of long term stasis prison in the JLA vs. Squad story, and who apparently is slated to be a JLA member in the near future.

JLA vs. Squad definately seems to have some key clues in it

Scarab Sages

I'm hoping the recently started Captain Atom mini-series will bring about a more prominent return of that character. And I'd love to see more of the characters who were in the Legends of Tomorrow book, especially Metamorpho and Firestorm.

I'm also looking forward to Odyssey of the Amazons by Kevin Grevioux. From what I've read, it's a pre-Wonder Woman story.


I'm interested in season 3 of Young Justice. That's about it.


Grey,

I think the whole thing with Lobo is going to be a cock up much like they did with Pre-Flashpoint Blue Beetle coming back to help out Post-New 52 Jamie Reyes.

Aber,

The Captain Atom Mini-series seems to be a mixed bag. They're still trying to keep some of Pre-Flashpoint stuff while mixing in New 52 stuff and you know muddle it badly.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Grey,

I think the whole thing with Lobo is going to be a cock up much like they did with Pre-Flashpoint Blue Beetle coming back to help out Post-New 52 Jamie Reyes.

Aber,

The Captain Atom Mini-series seems to be a mixed bag. They're still trying to keep some of Pre-Flashpoint stuff while mixing in New 52 stuff and you know muddle it badly.

I think there is clearly something bigger going on with these prisoners.

I mean look at this group

It's not just just who they are but also the way they look, their designs. These are people Waller has apparently been keeping on ice for years and I think they are a key part of the main Rebirth story

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I recognize everyone but the guy with the flaming sword.
Who is he and where (and which era) did he come from?

Silver Crusade

I am liking the JL v. Suicide Squad series. The Maxwell Lord story was a really good issue.


Charles Scholz wrote:

I recognize everyone but the guy with the flaming sword.

Who is he and where (and which era) did he come from?

Suicide Squad villain created by Ostrander back in the 80s. Infact I think he is pretty much one of the first Suicide Squad villains.


Grey is correct, Rustam also known by his real name Raza Kattuam, was originally a SS villain.

The latest issue of SS has more details about the team and what lead to their imprisonment. It also kind of humanizes at least one of them. (No, not Johnny Sorrow.)

Also still waiting to see how Superman plays out in terms of what his place in Rebirth is along side Wally's.

I do agree with one poster that Titans has sort of become more about Wally than the team at times.

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Greylurker wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:

I recognize everyone but the guy with the flaming sword.

Who is he and where (and which era) did he come from?
Suicide Squad villain created by Ostrander back in the 80s. Infact I think he is pretty much one of the first Suicide Squad villains.

I remember him now. He was the leader of the terrorist group the Squad fought in their very first mission. Didn't remember him becoming a member.

I thought Waller only had the authority to recruit prisoners who were convicted in American courts. Since he was defeated by a group that didn't exist, would there have been a trial that might have exposed the squad.

Speaking of the original squad, what happened to Nightshade in the New 52 universe?


Charles,

I'm betting he was some how rendition into the program. That or he was co-opted by Waller before his activities become too heinous. Maybe.

Nightshade has yet to show her self. Nor for that matter has much of the Shadowpact guys. (Detective Chimp, Blue Devil, Nightmaster, or Warlock's Daughter)

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