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Charles Scholz wrote:
Greylurker wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:

I recognize everyone but the guy with the flaming sword.

Who is he and where (and which era) did he come from?
Suicide Squad villain created by Ostrander back in the 80s. Infact I think he is pretty much one of the first Suicide Squad villains.

I remember him now. He was the leader of the terrorist group the Squad fought in their very first mission. Didn't remember him becoming a member.

I thought Waller only had the authority to recruit prisoners who were convicted in American courts. Since he was defeated by a group that didn't exist, would there have been a trial that might have exposed the squad.

These guys don't seem to be members of the Squad. From what I can gather so far they are prisoners that Waller and others burried so deep they were to never see the light of day again. And when you look at that group I think that's pretty understandable.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Charles,

I'm betting he was some how rendition into the program. That or he was co-opted by Waller before his activities become too heinous. Maybe.

Nightshade has yet to show her self. Nor for that matter has much of the Shadowpact guys. (Detective Chimp, Blue Devil, Nightmaster, or Warlock's Daughter)

Detective Chimp just appeared in the Batman annual.


Charles,

Really!? I must have missed that.

Grey,

Rustam is/was the field leader for Suicide Squad BEFORE Waller did the whole "Bombs in their heads" thing. He, Lobo (not sure which one since it seems like there might be three), Doctor Polaris, Johnny Sorrow and Emerald Empress were given assignments. They did them on the basis they would get some kind of compensation. (Emerald Empress, Saturn Girl's location, Lobo, Money (duh!), Johnny Sorrow (people to kill), and Doctor Polaris the location of his brother I think.)

They did a bad thing and got stuffed into the ground.


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I will patiently await new Rebirth specials:
Flash of Two Worlds: Rebirth
Crisis on Infinite Earths: Rebirth
Zero Hour: Rebirth
Infinite Crisis: Rebirth
Final Crisis: Rebirth
Flashpoint: Rebirth
Convergence: Rebirth
DC Universe: Rebirth: Rebirth

Only when all of those titles have been released will I be ready to jump into DC comics.


I feel like I've actually seen a few of those already..... >.<


phantom1592 wrote:

I feel like I've actually seen a few of those already..... >.<

Bah, you're just jealous because your series is about to be cancelled and replaced with a new-and-improved phantom1592: Rebirth!


Nah. He's getting Crisis Rebirth first.

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hm, any chances for a weekly dose of 52: Rebirth?


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BWHAHAHAHA

Nu-Lobo got stuck in a Brainiac Jar and is part of Larfreez's collection of stuff


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And Hal Jordan kept him there.


Good for Hal! :) I'm glad we'll have at least ONE regular Lobo.

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Kinda hard to tell. Which Lobo was that?

Also, I liked the return of the pre-Crisis Brainiac. Too bad he got the short end of Larfreez.


Charles,

It was Nu-52 Lobo. The skinny one.

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At one time Lobo's blood would become a totally new Lobo. It was a feature of his race, before he killed them all.
Vril Dox altered Lobo's blood while he was a part of L.E.G.I.O.N. It is possible there are several Lobos flying around out there, including the original as he appeared in Omega Men.
Maybe that was why Lobo killed everyone else, everyone was a copy of him.


Charles Scholz wrote:

At one time Lobo's blood would become a totally new Lobo. It was a feature of his race, before he killed them all.

Vril Dox altered Lobo's blood while he was a part of L.E.G.I.O.N. It is possible there are several Lobos flying around out there, including the original as he appeared in Omega Men.
Maybe that was why Lobo killed everyone else, everyone was a copy of him.

He seemd to get that ability back during Young Justice when he was de-aged. That's how we got Slobo.

who honestly Nu52 Lobo could easily be a grown up version of if they decided to keep him around


Grey and Charles,

I think you're both giving DC more credit than they deserve.

Especially considering the retcons to Donna Troy in just ONE issue.

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Yeah, Donna Troy's past kept changing. It seems every new author wanted to put their own spin on her backstory and DC let them do it.

Has anyone seen a list of 2017 Rebirth titles yet. I can't find any.


TBF Donna Troy's backstory being mutable is basically a running joke at this point. It happens every time she shows up.


I guess. But I keep hoping for some consistency. I mean moreso than Hawkman or any Hawk really.


Sundakan wrote:
TBF Donna Troy's backstory being mutable is basically a running joke at this point. It happens every time she shows up.

Still suffering from Crisis. The first one. Thirty years ago.

I hate reboots.

I really liked Wonder Girl in the Titans all those years ago.


Charles Scholz wrote:
Has anyone seen a list of 2017 Rebirth titles yet. I can't find any.

So far, just Justice League of America, Batwoman and Super Sons.

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thejeff wrote:
I hate reboots.

I used to, but I find reading comics much more enjoyable since I've completely given up on hoping for consistency.

Though it helps that I have a lot of holes in my comic reading history, so I probably don't recognize a lot of reboot-related inconsistencies.

Still I actually like a lot of the stories from the Rebirth Universe as presented so far. Had to laugh out loud just yesterday when I saw the Leagues' and Suicide Squads combined reaction on Waller telling them she wanted to be protected by them. Even Batman couldn't hide his smile.


All I know is when you decide to pick up the Heart of Darkness and use it to enslave humanity, this is why it doesn't work.


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At some point Wonder Girl will be revealed to be a nascent Lord of Chaos, which is why her origin can never be nailed down, even between reboots.


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Damon Griffin wrote:
At some point Wonder Girl will be revealed to be a nascent Lord of Chaos, which is why her origin can never be nailed down, even between reboots.

Would that make her...a god of reboots?!?


Goddess of Reboots, but yes.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Goddess of Reboots, but yes.

Nah, just a God of Reboots. In the Reboot, "God" is now feminine and "Goddess" is now masculine.

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:
Has anyone seen a list of 2017 Rebirth titles yet. I can't find any.
So far, just Justice League of America, Batwoman and Super Sons.

Could have done without Lobo, but since the current DC is limited on powerhouse characters, I guess we are stuck with him.

Spoiler:
Liked how his head regenerated in the latest JL vs. SS.


Charles,

That was a good move yes.

Also the previews for April showcase the fact that we'll have some changes in Superman's life and possibly his extended family and friends.

Also you know, more Watchmen.

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Is the Wildstorm universe still part of Rebirth?


Charles,

I think that Wildstorm is its own separate thing.


Wildstorm has been handed over to Warren Ellis apparently


Greylurker wrote:
Wildstorm has been handed over to Warren Ellis apparently

Really? That's interesting. Add those to the list.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Charles,

Really!? I must have missed that.

Grey,

Rustam is/was the field leader for Suicide Squad BEFORE Waller did the whole "Bombs in their heads" thing. He, Lobo (not sure which one since it seems like there might be three), Doctor Polaris, Johnny Sorrow and Emerald Empress were given assignments. They did them on the basis they would get some kind of compensation. (Emerald Empress, Saturn Girl's location, Lobo, Money (duh!), Johnny Sorrow (people to kill), and Doctor Polaris the location of his brother I think.)

They did a bad thing and got stuffed into the ground.

Wait, wait, I thought the Suicide Squad was by and large Batman-level villains? How the heck did Waller find a way to control four of the strongest and nastiest supervillains* in the DC universe?

* -- As I recall, Polaris is basically a murderous and psychotic version of Magneto; Johnny Sorrow is a human turned Eldritch Abomination capable of standing up to the Spectre; Emerald Empress is on the level of the more powerful Green Lanterns; and Lobo can go toe-to-toe with Superman.


Eric Hinkle wrote:


Wait, wait, I thought the Suicide Squad was by and large Batman-level villains? How the heck did Waller find a way to control four of the strongest and nastiest supervillains* in the DC universe?

* -- As I recall, Polaris is basically a murderous and psychotic version of Magneto; Johnny Sorrow is a human turned Eldritch Abomination capable of standing up to the Spectre; Emerald Empress is on the level of the more powerful Green Lanterns; and Lobo can go toe-to-toe with Superman.

that's just it. It didn't work, they turned on her.

Basically at the time she was working on a bribery system, offering each something they wanted in exchange for services rendered (EX: Emerald Empress wanted the location of Saturn Girl. Lobo wanted Money and so on)

Confronted by a device that would let them effectively become gods Most of them said "screw you Waller" and turned on her. She then offered Lobo more money to trigger her failsafe which was essentially a nuke that looked like a person....She neclected to mention to him about the nuke part just said "Bonus money if you kill that guy right now."

After that she decided "Mini-bomb" in the head would probably work better as incentive and to use less powerful people


Grey is correct, this first one as more of a bribery/pay for jobs kind of deal. That's how she got those guys to work for. Well Johnny Sorrow was a kind of still a fruit basket but killing people made him happy. So...there was that.

Also Jeff, Grey is correct that Ellis will be handling the Wildstorm duties. I don't expect however, there to be much print consistency in terms of always making a deadline.

Finally the fact that she had the Heart of Darkness in her vaults proves she's not someone to trust with large scale powers in my opinion.

Which is probably why I'm glad most of her squad was non-powered until recently.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Finally the fact that she had the Heart of Darkness in her vaults proves she's not someone to trust with large scale powers in my opinion.

She knew how dangerous the Heart was and hid it away so no one could use it. That proves some sensibility.

I still think her hatred for the super community is a liability.


Charles,

Yes but apparently she then LEAKED that info so that she could keep the JLA off her back.

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That is Max's take on things.
He will never admit that he was wrong about anything. It is always someone else's fault.

Of course, both sides of the argument are possible when manipulative people go after each other.


Charles,

You make a good point. But I still think Max's take is not unwarranted.

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Totally agree. Max and Waller are both the kind of people that ignore all the rules just to get what they want.


I still don't get why we had the cross over other than we'll get another League. Which I'm not sure we need.

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I disagree. The current League is more like a nuke aimed at the 10 mile asteroids heading toward earth. I miss the old League of the 70's to 90's that also fought the smaller threats like Kobra, Amazo,
the Royal Flush Gang, even the Legion of Super Villains.


Charles Scholz wrote:

I disagree. The current League is more like a nuke aimed at the 10 mile asteroids heading toward earth. I miss the old League of the 70's to 90's that also fought the smaller threats like Kobra, Amazo,

the Royal Flush Gang, even the Legion of Super Villains.

the lsv is NOT a minor threat. They have been responsible for the deaths of several legionnaires.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:

I disagree. The current League is more like a nuke aimed at the 10 mile asteroids heading toward earth. I miss the old League of the 70's to 90's that also fought the smaller threats like Kobra, Amazo,

the Royal Flush Gang, even the Legion of Super Villains.
the lsv is NOT a minor threat. They have been responsible for the deaths of several legionnaires.

Sorry, I was thinking of the Legion of Doom, or whatever they called themselves in the comics as opposed to Super Friends.


The Society of Super Villains.

Also I still think we get overkill on some of these teams but not so much as we need to revisit things that don't require Superman.

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Legion/Society; I was close.


Yes within the ballpark no doubt.

So I finished Superman #16 and I'm still as confused as before as to what status DC is talking about with Pre-Flashpoint Superman. I mean it just seems weird but at the same time I'm glad that Justice Incarnate is still rocking out the multiverse thing. But it didn't feel like they were absolutely necessary to beat up a guy that presumable wants to defeat Mister Oz/Ozymandius. Maybe?

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I agree, it is a little confusing about what is going on.
As for beating up the bad guy, it wasn't that he wanted to beat whomever, it was that he was kidnapping/depowering/killing other people just so he could save himself and telling the rest to go to hell.


Still...not the best Superman issue I can recall...

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