Superman Returns - I know some people thought they ruined the character, and were glad they ended the series after this one and started over with Man of Steel. But if you don't mind the weird family plot twist, it's a fun movie that harkens back to the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films, before those went downhill. And for the record, I hated Man of Steel.
Agree for the most part... I've seen a lot of complaints about that movie, but it had SOOOO much that they did RIGHT. Brandon Routhe made a great Superman and Clark Kent. Kate Bosworth made a semi-believable Lois (more later) and Kevin Spacey did a fantastic job as Lex Luthor. Outside of Smallville, I believe Spacey is my favorite Lex ever filmed. Even the 'A' plot was decent in it's own comic-book weird way and fit in with the first two. Special effects were top notch... Sometimes I put it in just to rewatch the plane crash scene again. All in all, while hard to beat the first two Reeve movies, this one tries REALLY hard.
Even the costume was good. I mean... at the TIME I thought it was way too dark and stylized... but after MoS, I'd LOVE for them to bring that one back. It looks almost day-glow compared to Snyder's suit...
The bad? Two things... 1) 5 year absence. 2) Superkid.
EVERYTHING involved with those two issues really ruins that show. Superman wouldn't have just bailed on a whim like that... and Lois was WAY too young to not only be such a celebrated writer... but to be so young AFTER a 5 year gap. Kate Bosworth was only 23 when she filmed it, putting her at only 18 when Superman left?!?
Compared to Margot Kidder who was 30 and Amy Adams at 39 when they started the role...It REALLY didn't work.
And the kid's existence only pushed to the front everything from date-rape kiss to dead-beat dads, to Superman breaking up a happy family to be with Lois... It was a horrendous 'B' plot that should have been cut and burned with fire.
I loved the cast, but really hated the plot they were dropped in.
Too lazy to go back and read the whole thread, so not sure if my choices were mentioned before.
See, if it's bad Arnold movies we're talking about, then I love Last Action Hero. It's awesome, and it manages to be both a typical action movie and a commentary on action movies, at the same time! I love it.I always liked that one. When it first came out, I remember that it got panned. Apparently, people were expecting a straight action movie, and it's a parody of that, which isn't what audiences expected. But I thought it was great, even then. And the soundtrack album was awesome, too.
Water World - I know, I know. It was overpriced, oversold, and not worthy of all the hype that made it sound like the greatest epic ever made. But it wasn't nearly as bad as its critics make it out to be, either. It was a fun flick, but nothing special.
The Fifth Element - Another fun sci-fi flick that doesn't take itself too seriously. Not a great epic or anything, but a fun ride.
Superman Returns - I know some people thought they ruined the character, and were glad they ended the series after this one and started over with Man of Steel. But if you don't mind the weird family plot twist, it's a fun movie that harkens back to the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films, before those went downhill. And for the record, I hated Man of Steel.
Water World I get...it's not a great movie but it's not as bad as its reputation. I honestly think it's reputation has more to do with the amount the studio lost on the film than the actual tone of the movie.
Is Fifth Element genuinely considered bad? I guess a bit cheesy at times but everything I have seen online and discussed with friends suggest it is rather well regarded. Not sure I would consider it a bad movie.
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Nice try, but-
2- Why in the name of sanity would a Engineer be piloting the ship full of eggs that ends up on LV-426?
3- To head off an inevitable attempt to handwave point 2, given the nature of David's interactions with the Engineers, why would they do anything but tear him apart and destroy his ship if they find him?
And as for your second point, if everyone made rational smart decisions in the face of complete horror and dire circumstance? That would be just as unbelievable and would completely yank me out of the movie as well. Not everyone is going to react like a well-oiled team of professional adventurers.
There were one or two decisions made in PROMETHEUS that were just plain DUMB and those were scientists who should have CLEARLY known better.
And some of the actions by the Colonial Marine types in A:C were just plain DUMB.
It's still plot-mandated stupidity- and note that not all of it was created equal-
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Killer Klowns from Outer Space
Why It's Bad: It's super campy and has evil alien space clowns with ridiculous, clown-themed weaponry.
Why I Love It: It's super campy and has evil alien space clowns with ridiculous, clown-themed weaponry.
Enough said.
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Killer Klowns from Outer Space
Why It's Bad: It's super campy and has evil alien space clowns with ridiculous, clown-themed weaponry.
Why I Love It: It's super campy and has evil alien space clowns with ridiculous, clown-themed weaponry.
Enough said.
This movie single-handedly saved a nightmare evening- my roommate had a HUGE fight with her boyfriend, in tears...
So I plug in the Chiodo Brothers' greatest contribution to human civilization.
Boom. Within twenty minutes, my roomie is laughing her ass off.
I love everything about that cheeseball, wonderful, terrible, magnificent movie.
**spoiler omitted **Nice try, but-
** spoiler omitted **And as for your second point, if everyone made rational smart decisions in the face of complete horror and dire circumstance? That would be just as unbelievable and would completely yank me out of the movie as well. Not everyone is going to react like a well-oiled team of professional adventurers.
There were one or two decisions made in PROMETHEUS that were just plain DUMB and those were scientists who should have CLEARLY known better.
And some of the actions by the Colonial Marine types in A:C were just plain DUMB.
It's still plot-mandated stupidity- and note that not all of it was created equal- ** spoiler omitted **
Okay, You win.
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Army of Darkness is considered bad? BLASPHEMY I SAY! *straps on arm chainsaw*
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My guilty pleasure is Howard the duck. Say what you will but it's just plain fun.I paid to see this TWICE when it was in theaters. It is a perfectly serviceable super hero movie...probably about the same as Green Lantern.
Of other ones mentioned, I *adore* Sucker Punch, which most people missed the point of.
Not mentioned yet is Lady in the Water, which I thought was very sweet, and holds up really well, if you're willing to buy into its premise.
Too lazy to go back and read the whole thread, so not sure if my choices were mentioned before.
See, if it's bad Arnold movies we're talking about, then I love Last Action Hero. It's awesome, and it manages to be both a typical action movie and a commentary on action movies, at the same time! I love it.I always liked that one. When it first came out, I remember that it got panned. Apparently, people were expecting a straight action movie, and it's a parody of that, which isn't what audiences expected. But I thought it was great, even then. And the soundtrack album was awesome, too.
Water World - I know, I know. It was overpriced, oversold, and not worthy of all the hype that made it sound like the greatest epic ever made. But it wasn't nearly as bad as its critics make it out to be, either. It was a fun flick, but nothing special.
The Fifth Element - Another fun sci-fi flick that doesn't take itself too seriously. Not a great epic or anything, but a fun ride.
Superman Returns - I know some people thought they ruined the character, and were glad they ended the series after this one and started over with Man of Steel. But if you don't mind the weird family plot twist, it's a fun movie that harkens back to the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films, before those went downhill. And for the record, I hated Man of Steel.
superman returns was the worst superman movie I have ever seen. Ever. Richard Pryor was better. I prefer man of steel in every sense.
superman returns was the worst superman movie I have ever seen. Ever. Richard Pryor was better. I prefer man of steel in every sense.Too lazy to go back and read the whole thread, so not sure if my choices were mentioned before.
See, if it's bad Arnold movies we're talking about, then I love Last Action Hero. It's awesome, and it manages to be both a typical action movie and a commentary on action movies, at the same time! I love it.I always liked that one. When it first came out, I remember that it got panned. Apparently, people were expecting a straight action movie, and it's a parody of that, which isn't what audiences expected. But I thought it was great, even then. And the soundtrack album was awesome, too.
Water World - I know, I know. It was overpriced, oversold, and not worthy of all the hype that made it sound like the greatest epic ever made. But it wasn't nearly as bad as its critics make it out to be, either. It was a fun flick, but nothing special.
The Fifth Element - Another fun sci-fi flick that doesn't take itself too seriously. Not a great epic or anything, but a fun ride.
Superman Returns - I know some people thought they ruined the character, and were glad they ended the series after this one and started over with Man of Steel. But if you don't mind the weird family plot twist, it's a fun movie that harkens back to the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films, before those went downhill. And for the record, I hated Man of Steel.
I'm with you on Man of Steel vs Return, but not Superman 3 vs. Return (tobacco tar as kryptonite? No). Then again I would consign 3, 4, and Return to the abyss.
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superman returns was the worst superman movie I have ever seen. Ever. Richard Pryor was better. I prefer man of steel in every sense.Too lazy to go back and read the whole thread, so not sure if my choices were mentioned before.
See, if it's bad Arnold movies we're talking about, then I love Last Action Hero. It's awesome, and it manages to be both a typical action movie and a commentary on action movies, at the same time! I love it.I always liked that one. When it first came out, I remember that it got panned. Apparently, people were expecting a straight action movie, and it's a parody of that, which isn't what audiences expected. But I thought it was great, even then. And the soundtrack album was awesome, too.
Water World - I know, I know. It was overpriced, oversold, and not worthy of all the hype that made it sound like the greatest epic ever made. But it wasn't nearly as bad as its critics make it out to be, either. It was a fun flick, but nothing special.
The Fifth Element - Another fun sci-fi flick that doesn't take itself too seriously. Not a great epic or anything, but a fun ride.
Superman Returns - I know some people thought they ruined the character, and were glad they ended the series after this one and started over with Man of Steel. But if you don't mind the weird family plot twist, it's a fun movie that harkens back to the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films, before those went downhill. And for the record, I hated Man of Steel.
I would comment but Superman Returns is so forgettable I have trouble even comparing it to anything
I did like Brandon Routh as Superman, more so than Henry Cavill. At least we got a good joke out of that in the CWverse shows.
MMC,
Yeah that was a great joke moment. But also correct that Brandon Routh's Superman is better in my mind than Henry's.
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I'm just shocked that anyone liked Man of Steel. To me, it's a perfect example of what's wrong with a lot of modern sci-fi/action movies: Tons of CGI action, half of which flies by on the screen too fast to keep up with, and absolutely no personality. I hated it for the same reason I hated the first Transformers movie (and never bothered seeing the sequels).
I'm just shocked that anyone liked Man of Steel. To me, it's a perfect example of what's wrong with a lot of modern sci-fi/action movies: Tons of CGI action, half of which flies by on the screen too fast to keep up with, and absolutely no personality. I hated it for the same reason I hated the first Transformers movie (and never bothered seeing the sequels).
I do think Man of Steel had problems. The fate of his father was pointless angst, the Jesus allegory was heavy handed, and it raised questions it didn't answer (Not in the sequel hook sense, but in the setting and character building sense.) Also, like most Snyder films it focused more on visual spectacle than any other aspect.
Still, it presents a few things that are often missing from Superman stories. The oft-complained about devastation to the surroundings that results from super battles is an example of "show, don't tell" working as intended. It conveys to the viewer just how much power is involved in those battles in a way that is impossible to ignore. The reaction of the military with suspicion is far more believable than open acceptance when presented with a dangerously powerful alien being. Even the fate of Zod makes sense within the world of the film.
I can respect that people don't like the idea of Superman doing that. I can also say that barring a deus ex machina solution, there wasn't much else that made sense.
It's not the best Superman film, but it's far from the worst.
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Your spoiler has nothing to do with why I hated Man of Steel. I was actually fine with that one. In fact...
Again, my complaint with Man of Steel is that it was all action and no personality. Zod was the only character who showed enough personality to be interesting, but he wasn't enough to carry the film.
And the action wasn't even good action - just a bunch of crap CGI, especially the destruction of Metropolis. Again, comparing to Superman 2 (IMHO, the best Superman movie so far), the battles were much better there, despite the much worse fx. When pieces were knocked off a building in Metropolis by the Kryptonian villains, they looked like actual stone, not texture-less CGI from a video game. And Superman rushed to catch them before they landed on anyone.
Man of Steel had some decent ideas. Like you said, the reaction of the military, the fate of Zod, even the fact that the battle was bigger in scale, so Superman saving everyone just wasn't an option like in the past movies. But the most of the characters were just plain boring. And Jonathan Kent's god-awful pointless death scene was absolutely the worst thing ever in a Superman film.
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As for why it was cut, the obvious answer is that it meant Superman inviting the cops into the Fortress of Solitude. It makes more sense for him to fly his captives back to civilization himself, without giving away the fortress's location. So I agree with cutting that one.
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Suckerpunch is a brilliant movie. It is probably one of the most consistently misunderstood movies around. And yet, it really isn't very difficult. It also had the worst cutting job I have seen in a very long time.
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Suckerpunch is a brilliant movie. It is probably one of the most consistently misunderstood movies around. And yet, it really isn't very difficult. It also had the worst cutting job I have seen in a very long time.
I can never forgive that movie for managing to make attractive women kicking the crud out of steam-powered German Zombies in World War I trenches (this is basically a list of three things that interest me intensely strung together in a seemingly-harmonious whole) boring.
It wasn't hard for me to follow, but... it didn't deliver the goods for me.
Oh, here's another I love in the teeth of popular opinion:
Waxwork.
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The Man from U.N.C.L.E
It got some pretty bad reviews, but I liked it. It was clever, funny, and had some excellent 60s style. I think of the actor as Napoleon rather than Superman. I also love the banter between Ilya and Napoleon.
Another it's awful but I love it "classic", 1977's Snowbeast.
On the surface it's a cheesy film done in the post-Jaws period when everyone had to do a 'Killer Whatever' movie. We got killer dogs, killer bees, killer bears, killer demonically-possessed cars, so why not a killer Bigfoot film?
On the downside, it's a made for TV Killer Bigfoot movie with some of the stock character actors of the time. And we almost never get to see the monster! We just get some camera shots supposedly from its POV, and one shot of it peeking through a window at some women right before it eats one of them.
On the plus side, it's a competent made for TV Killer Bigfoot movie. When we do see the suit, it's well done for this sort of movie. And who wouldn't want to watch Bo Svenson, Yvette Mimieux, and Clint Walker defeat a snowbunny-munching Yeti?
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King Arthur: Legend of the Sword
Why its bad?
Misdirection of a buffet of small role cable TV actors lead by Charlie Hunnam. Enough CGI and fast pace action sequences to make your head explode.
Why I liked it?
Guy Ritchie back to his old habits. It was refreshing to get another take on King Arthur even if it was like Guy Ritchie meets Uwe Bol. I make no apologies :)
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Regardless... in true Comic book fashion the 'deaths' were vague at best. They fell down a chasm, With no idea of how deep they were or what was down there. In a land full of snow...
I'm not saying they DID die... I'm not saying they DIDN'T die... but if they showed up in part V, it would be so easily explained...
The point of that show was more about neutralizing the threat, not about what happened afterward. Once their powers were taken, He could have them stored in his super-zoo for all we know. We really only see the 'Action playset' part of the Fortress as it is.
Suckerpunch is a brilliant movie. It is probably one of the most consistently misunderstood movies around. And yet, it really isn't very difficult. It also had the worst cutting job I have seen in a very long time.I can never forgive that movie for managing to make attractive women kicking the crud out of steam-powered German Zombies in World War I trenches (this is basically a list of three things that interest me intensely strung together in a seemingly-harmonious whole) boring.
It wasn't hard for me to follow, but... it didn't deliver the goods for me.
Oh, here's another I love in the teeth of popular opinion:
Waxwork.
Waxwork is great, and the sequel is pretty awesome too.
I only just the other day realized that the main actress in Suckerpunch also plays the main lead's wife on American Gods. I hated her in the former where she just seemed like a completely vapid actress, but she does a solid Job in American Gods, so I guess I can just lay that on Snyder's bad direction.
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As a huge Superman fan since I was a very young child, who fondly remembers watching reruns of the 1950s TV series The Adventures of Superman on the local UHF TV channel back in the '70s, and who subscribed to Action Comics until the early '80s...
I absolutely hated Man of Steel.
Zack Snyder did not know, understand, or care about what makes Superman such a memorable character. Or, for that matter, that superhero movies are supposed to be fun.
I liked Superman Returns WAY more than I liked Man of Steel.
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As a huge Superman fan since I was a very young child, who fondly remembers watching reruns of the 1950s TV series The Adventures of Superman on the local UHF TV channel back in the '70s, and who subscribed to Action Comics until the early '80s...
I absolutely hated Man of Steel.
Zack Snyder did not know, understand, or care about what makes Superman such a memorable character. Or, for that matter, that superhero movies are supposed to be fun.
I liked Superman Returns WAY more than I liked Man of Steel.
Older folks enjoy movies that put them to sleep...
King Arthur: Legend of the Sword
Why its bad?
Misdirection of a buffet of small role cable TV actors lead by Charlie Hunnam. Enough CGI and fast pace action sequences to make your head explode.Why I liked it?
Guy Ritchie back to his old habits. It was refreshing to get another take on King Arthur even if it was like Guy Ritchie meets Uwe Bol. I make no apologies :)
We are probably the only two members of the audience that liked it :)
As a huge Superman fan since I was a very young child, who fondly remembers watching reruns of the 1950s TV series The Adventures of Superman on the local UHF TV channel back in the '70s, and who subscribed to Action Comics until the early '80s...
I absolutely hated Man of Steel.
Zack Snyder did not know, understand, or care about what makes Superman such a memorable character. Or, for that matter, that superhero movies are supposed to be fun.
I liked Superman Returns WAY more than I liked Man of Steel.
Older folks enjoy movies that put them to sleep...
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Get off my lawn, you damn kids!
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In all fairness, I can say one good thing for Superman Returns: Kevin Spacey's oddly hammy Luthor was better than Jesse Eisenberg's unhinged neurotic Luthor.
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Scythia,
I'm not sure that's much of a comfort for those of us that loved Michael Rosenbaum's Luthor...
Fromper,
I won't disagree that Brandon did a pretty passable job pulling some Reeve into his Superman/Clark Kent.
Kevin Spacey did a great job of playing Luthor the same way Gene Hackman played him in the original movies. Just like Brandon Routh did a great job of playing Christopher Reeve (playing Superman and Clark Kent).
Meanwhile, Eisenburg did a passable job of playing Luthor the same way Ledger played the joker in The Dark Knight.
Kevin Spacey did a great job of playing Luthor the same way Gene Hackman played him in the original movies. Just like Brandon Routh did a great job of playing Christopher Reeve (playing Superman and Clark Kent).Meanwhile, Eisenburg did a passable job of playing Luthor the same way Ledger played the joker in The Dark Knight.
Exactly. It's like the folks behind the movie went "MAN PEOPLE LOVE HEATH LEDGER'S JOKER...LETS MAKE LEX JUST LIKE HIM"
Rather than you know...using Heath Ledger's take...on the actual DCEU Joker.
Yeah I prefer we didn't have a Lex Luthor that's like Heath Ledger's Joker.
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It really feels like they should have cast Eisenberg as the Joker, and let him channel what he did for Lex for Suicide Squad.
I still remember the early rumors/fantasies about Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor. What a missed opportunity.
MMC,
I wouldn't have minded that. I think Bryan could have brought some real menace and intelligence to the role. I mean look what he did with just a high school chem teacher! ;)
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Kevin Spacey did a great job of playing Luthor the same way Gene Hackman played him in the original movies. Just like Brandon Routh did a great job of playing Christopher Reeve (playing Superman and Clark Kent).Meanwhile, Eisenburg did a passable job of playing Luthor the same way Ledger played the joker in The Dark Knight.
I just have a problem with a Lex Luthor that sounds like the "Camille" voice from a Prince album.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the dream we all dream, man of steel vs. the bat of Gotham..."
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Dungeons & Dragons (2010)
Why it's bad: Because there is literally nothing good about it. It's terrible in every way possible.
Why I am listing it as something I liked: Because I had fun watching it. I watched it several years after it came out. Indeed, I watched it pretty close to when I watched Star Trek: Nemesis, and I found I enjoyed the D&D movie more than Nemesis, even though by any measure Nemesis is a way better movie.
Why? Because I went into the D&D movie knowing it was really horrible, having heard about it. And I wasn't completely bored, it was kind of fun to watch. I will never watch it again. But I expected it to be bad, really bad, like Jupiter Ascending bad (sorry, guys, I know some f you like it, but in my opinion that movie is worse than... well, worse than something really really bad.). And, it turned out better than I expected. It was still a gigantic stinker, but since I had less than zero expectations, I was pleasantly surprised.
(Nemesis, on the other hand, was an even-numbered Star Trek movie, following up the excellent First Contact and the "this is a solid episode of the TV series but a meh movie" Insurrection. I was expecting to like it. I was expecting it to be good. And it left me lukewarm. A few individual things pissed me off (e.g. that "clone" of Picard didn't look anything like him -- there's more to Patrick Steward than baldness!). But overall, the movie was just very blah, and spelled the end of TNG Star Trek.)
Pan,
No that was the third one. The first one was with one of the Wayans and the beholder that apparently gets fooled by loud noises...