calartnick |
i really don't like much of anything after five levels of bolt ace. For my build I'm actually splitting wis and cha and going one level dip in inspired blade to be good at melee at level 3. so after level six I'm not sure what to do.
I thought about going inspired blade the rest of the way but man, the saves are really brutal. Maybe go five levels in order to critical bonuses and then bail.
Monk has good base saves but offers very little else.
Fighter gives the feats I covet but the saves are barely better than swashbuckler and I hate the lack of skills.
Cavalier could be interesting for at least four levels to pick up an animal companion and pick up the feat to full level it out, but thats taking AWAY feats for something I don't really care if I have or not.
Sniper Slayer is probably the safest pick, full bab, good saves, no wasted abilities, great skills. Problem is it just feels so uninspired. 1d6 of extra damage I have to WORK for. yay.
Oh, btw he would be a vampire hunter in a post apocalyptic type setting that's a little like the witcher combined with van helsing.
So beyond one level of inspired blade I'm open to be convinced of ANY combo of anything.
Bonus advice, would it be worth it to take half elf over human? more favored class bonus, plus +2 to will saves?
Thanks in advance!
Imbicatus |
I'll just throw out some options:
Eldritch Guardian fighter. Lots of feats to add to gunslinger, and a familiar that you can give a little crossbow to and have them shoot as well.
Unchained Rogue. More skills, some nice suprise round stuff, and the possibility of debilitating injury if you can work a way for ranged sneak attacks.
Inquisitor: Great synergy, especially if you go sanctified slayer.
Investigator: Studied Combat is great, but you'll need to waste a feat for ranged study. You can also boost dex nicely with mutagen.
Sohei Monk: A solid option, as haremlord says.
My Self |
If you could pick up channeling without dropping your BAB, you could do Unchained Monk and Crusader's Flurry (Abadar). Full BAB flurrying will make your life very sweet. If you're using CHA, Paladin/Antipaladin for 4 might not be too bad, as it gives you the option to bypass DR. This is obviously very level-intensive, but Bolt Ace 5/Inspired Blade 1/Paladin 4/Unchained Monk X will end up with full BAB, Flurry, Smite, the bolt ace awesome, and qualification for Champion of Irori.
Not that this is anywhere near the best build. Best build is probably something already suggested.
Daring Champion is a good Cavalier archetype. Luring Cavalier is a good archer cavalier.
haremlord |
I had no idea flurry stacked with rapid shot! I was going to ask my gm if we could houserule that I could use my rapier.
ONLY downside is no fullbab progression but not a problem when flurrying. Thanks a ton! Eldritch Guardian fighter also looks super cool
Flurry for Sohei does. Flurry for Zen Master does not.
You can only flurry with Sohei with a weapon that you have weapon training in. In order to get rapier, you'd have to get that from a few levels of fighter (none of the options listed under sohei grant rapier). If you JUST want rapier, you can go Weapon Master for three levels, but remember that will put off your Sohei flurry bonus for 9 levels instead of 6.
oh, and Imbicatus's suggestion of giving the familiar a little crossbow made me think of a little monkey with a crossbow and made me smile :D
Imbicatus |
calartnick wrote:I had no idea flurry stacked with rapid shot! I was going to ask my gm if we could houserule that I could use my rapier.
ONLY downside is no fullbab progression but not a problem when flurrying. Thanks a ton! Eldritch Guardian fighter also looks super cool
Flurry for Sohei does. Flurry for Zen Master does not.
You can only flurry with Sohei with a weapon that you have weapon training in. In order to get rapier, you'd have to get that from a few levels of fighter (none of the options listed under sohei grant rapier). If you JUST want rapier, you can go Weapon Master for three levels, but remember that will put off your Sohei flurry bonus for 9 levels instead of 6.
Just be aware, you may run into table variation on Rapid Shot + Flurry, even with a Sohei. By RAW, there is nothing stopping a Sohei with a ranged weapon from combining Flurry and Rapid Shot. There is nothing stopping a CRB monk from doing the same with Shuriken.
However, because Zen Archer and Far Strike Monk do explicitly forbid Rapid Shot and Flurry, many GMs assume all uses of flurry forbid Rapid Shot. It seems RAI with the current state of the game that they don't stack.
Also, there is a valid Rules interpretation that you can't use them together in the first place because a Flurry of Blows is a special Full Attack action, but it is not named a "Full Attack", and Rapid Shot can only be used on a "Full Attack".
Long story short, if you want to use flurry and rapid shot, ask your GM, or expect to be shot down sometimes at PFS.
haremlord |
haremlord wrote:calartnick wrote:I had no idea flurry stacked with rapid shot! I was going to ask my gm if we could houserule that I could use my rapier.
ONLY downside is no fullbab progression but not a problem when flurrying. Thanks a ton! Eldritch Guardian fighter also looks super cool
Flurry for Sohei does. Flurry for Zen Master does not.
You can only flurry with Sohei with a weapon that you have weapon training in. In order to get rapier, you'd have to get that from a few levels of fighter (none of the options listed under sohei grant rapier). If you JUST want rapier, you can go Weapon Master for three levels, but remember that will put off your Sohei flurry bonus for 9 levels instead of 6.
Just be aware, you may run into table variation on Rapid Shot + Flurry, even with a Sohei. By RAW, there is nothing stopping a Sohei with a ranged weapon from combining Flurry and Rapid Shot. There is nothing stopping a CRB monk from doing the same with Shuriken.
However, because Zen Archer and Far Strike Monk do explicitly forbid Rapid Shot and Flurry, many GMs assume all uses of flurry forbid Rapid Shot. It seems RAI with the current state of the game that they don't stack.
Also, there is a valid Rules interpretation that you can't use them together in the first place because a Flurry of Blows is a special Full Attack action, but it is not named a "Full Attack", and Rapid Shot can only be used on a "Full Attack".
Long story short, if you want to use flurry and rapid shot, ask your GM, or expect to be shot down sometimes at PFS.
Ah, was not aware of that. I don't play PFS, so it has never been an issue.
Zwordsman |
I love alchemist myself. Though if your going spam shooting that is less useful I suppose.
I've had fun going Feral Hunter as well after that sorta set up.
The boosts are fun, and the spells are some nifty ones since they have ranger and druid ones. Nice solid support version. Bab bit sucks of course. so it has costs.
BretI |
One more level of Bolt Ace for +1 to all saves, then look at Lore Warden fighter for more combat feats.
Cavalier might also work for the tactician and challenge abilities. Although many of the orders say you must threaten, I don't see that for order of the Lion.
calartnick |
Awesome advice! yeah for my table full optimization isn't very important, we are a very story based group so its more important for me to pick stuff that "makes sense" to whatever is going on as opposed to getting the best numbers. So they would probably look down on the growing extra arms and stuff, just because of the locals with pitchforks and such. But that is an awesome idea and I totally want to do an alchemist with extra arms someday.
So no one is suggesting slayer, I thought that would get a little love. Great advice guys.
Edit: ninjaed about slayer haha
calartnick |
I don't know about inquisitor. Originally I was looking at just building a straight inquisitor, but I don't think it's the best dip class because of the 3/4ths babness business and their best abilities and spells come much much later. Plus my stat array will be
str 10
dex 18
con 13
int 10
wis 14
cha 14
so I'd need to dump cha and pump wis to be a viable inquisitor