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I think we'd all hope for that. But I figured if we need to get a good villain for Moon Knight it would be the Punisher. Unless you think Bushmaster would be a better choice of villain.
I want to see Moon Knight as well. But as you can see from the Daredevil and JJ show, a good f$#~ing villain is what makes a show and defines a hero. If you give me a Moon Knight show with Punisher or other not so evil anti-hero as the villain, it will be lukewarm garbage IMO.
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Then where's our Black Widow movie?I wouldn't be super interested in a Black Widow movie. Nor would I be in a Hawkeye movie, for that matter.
Neither are interesting enough (in their MCU incarnations at least) to carry a movie IMO.
They could salvage Hawkeye with a Marvel Netflix format if they follow the recent Hawkeye comics tone (i.e. him vs. Russian mafia; I also think his apartment is in Hell's Kitchen or another similar NY dilapidated neighbourhood as the Russians are trying to kick out his apartment's residents for re-development...)
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I actually can't think of a whole ton of Marvel female superheroes I like. I just tried to think of examples I'd totally watch but then realized they're all DC (Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Zatanna).
Marvel kind of got shot in the foot by having some of their most iconic female heroes, Sue Richards/Invisible Woman, Ororo Monroe/Storm and Jean Grey/Phoenix, unavailable to them due to Sony or Fox having the movie rights to them.
Which left them with the Scarlet Witch, which they chose to hold off on, and the Wasp, who was trapped in non-existence due to the much-delayed Ant-Man project, of their original leading ladies, and stuck using Black Widow, who showed up *10 years* later as a 'founding' Avenger.
I'd be up for a hero with something more visually interesting as a power, such as Monica Rambeau (turns into energy) or even Jessica Drew / Spider-Woman (flight and energy blasts).
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Heroes with more visually interesting powers are less relatable as characters when done live action (i.e. great for comics/animated, but totally blows the suspension of disbelief to smithereens in live action... one of the reasons Hulk is never really gonna be on par with other heroes for the big screens... at least it would help if they'd make him talk)
Then where's our Black Widow movie?I wouldn't be super interested in a Black Widow movie. Nor would I be in a Hawkeye movie, for that matter.
Neither are interesting enough (in their MCU incarnations at least) to carry a movie IMO.
I actually can't think of a whole ton of Marvel female superheroes I like. I just tried to think of examples I'd totally watch but then realized they're all DC (Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Zatanna).
The female Captain Marvel is from Marvel, unless DC's switched up something in the Shazam franchise I've missed.
Ah. For some reason I thought they had done away with the "Shazam family" idea and settled on making Ms. Marvel the new Captain Marvel or something.
Characters with the same name are confusing.
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I actually can't think of a whole ton of Marvel female superheroes I like. I just tried to think of examples I'd totally watch but then realized they're all DC (Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Zatanna).Marvel kind of got shot in the foot by having some of their most iconic female heroes, Sue Richards/Invisible Woman, Ororo Monroe/Storm and Jean Grey/Phoenix, unavailable to them due to Sony or Fox having the movie rights to them.
Which left them with the Scarlet Witch, which they chose to hold off on, and the Wasp, who was trapped in non-existence due to the much-delayed Ant-Man project, of their original leading ladies, and stuck using Black Widow, who showed up *10 years* later as a 'founding' Avenger.
I'd be up for a hero with something more visually interesting as a power, such as Monica Rambeau (turns into energy) or even Jessica Drew / Spider-Woman (flight and energy blasts).
Dude. Scarlet Johansson pulling athletic ninja moves in a tight leather suit is about as visually interesting as it gets. And yes "simultanously too kickass and too hot to be true" IS a superpower.
Besides, as I said earlier, she's one of their best characters so long as they don't ruin her with a solo movie.
I think we'd all hope for that. But I figured if we need to get a good villain for Moon Knight it would be the Punisher. Unless you think Bushmaster would be a better choice of villain.I want to see Moon Knight as well. But as you can see from the Daredevil and JJ show, a good f#!!ing villain is what makes a show and defines a hero. If you give me a Moon Knight show with Punisher or other not so evil anti-hero as the villain, it will be lukewarm garbage IMO.
So...who would you suggest Moon Knight have as a villain then?
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So...who would you suggest Moon Knight have as a villain then?I think we'd all hope for that. But I figured if we need to get a good villain for Moon Knight it would be the Punisher. Unless you think Bushmaster would be a better choice of villain.I want to see Moon Knight as well. But as you can see from the Daredevil and JJ show, a good f#!!ing villain is what makes a show and defines a hero. If you give me a Moon Knight show with Punisher or other not so evil anti-hero as the villain, it will be lukewarm garbage IMO.
You either go dark, or not. :)
...Yeah my problem is many of the TV villains so far haven't been actual gods.
I mean I get it. But I don't know if you want to go that route with Moon Knight who is still pretty mortal.
Okay! If you want that, I'll support it. I just want a more decent Moon Knight than say, an average Defenders.
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I agree with all of this, except for the "better than Daredevil" part. I think Daredevil is slightly better, but very close. But I agree they are doing a GREAT job with making Kilgrave super spooky. I mean superpowered folks are s&$*ting their pants in fear of him. That's awesome.Quite good so far. Better than Daredevil mostly because Jessica is actually interesting to watch, unlike Murdock (who was flat and lifeless).
They did a great job of setting up how creepy and scary Kilgrave was but, oddly, I feel the image of power and fear is lessened when we he's actually on screen. Guess I'm just not a big fan of Tennant.
I think trying to figure out whether JJ or DD is better than the other is kind of moot. They are both very good shows trying to do very different things. If you like something with well shot fight choreography and traditional crime drama than you'll probably like Daredevil, if you are into deep dive character pieces and neo-noir than you'll likely dig Jessica more.
Also wait until you see the later episodes. F~+!ing Kilgrave, f&%@ing Jeri, f!~&ing Malcolm. So much s~!@ in this show, it's like it's pulling your heart out slowly with fishing twine.
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Minor spoiler from Episode one.
Very important contention, New York Soho House would never allow a strip club owner to become a member. (Miami Soho House maybe, but we don't talk about the Miami Soho House.)
They don't like "finance or money guys," they are snobby in the extreme and they go for the rich and powerful from other mediums like non profits, fashion and art.
How does the old Groucho Marx saying go?
"I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."
Yeah I only use their rooftop pool in the summer or when they have a movie premier weeks ahead of the movie release. The glamorous life can be grinding.
;)
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Possible Avengers tie in
In the comics, her father worked for Tony Stark and the vacation was a gift from him. Now, it's possible that the timeline has shifted and the Stark in question may very well have been Howard Stark (or a very young Tony Stark), but that would still be an MCU connection.
So I finished watching it and I thought it was very good. Besides the mention of The Incident...I did not catch many Easter Eggs to the other Marvel movies/ TV shows. Which surprised me as I thought they would have put something in to link it to Dare Devil...
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I did not catch many Easter Eggs to the other Marvel movies/ TV shows.
There is at least one Easter egg per episode to the comic books themselves, if not the MCU, not huge but they are there.
Examples,
In the "AKA it's Called Whiskey" episode, Jessica buys a bottle of bourbon (Wild Turkey), the same brand that the Punisher 2004 (and people with no discerning taste buds) drinks.
In the mainstream Marvel comic-book continuity, Patsy (Trish in Jessica Jones) Walker was originally a light-hearted Archie-like character, who was later ret-conned into a superhero named Hellcat.
The original, romance comic version of Patsy also exists inside the Marvel universe - as a strip that was written by her mother.
So those Patsy Walker comic book we caught a glimpse of during Episode 3 -
That's a comic book based on a fictional television character, who was played by an actual television character, who was based on a comic book character, who was herself the inspiration for a comic book character ... who was originally actually her.
That's a comic book based on a fictional television character, who was played by an actual television character, who was based on a comic-book character, who was herself the inspiration for a comic-book character ... who was originally actually her.
This is the meme equivalent of Xzibit multiplied by Kirk Lazarus.
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Vendor - Fantasiapelit Tampere
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So...who would you suggest Moon Knight have as a villain then?
Well, originally he fought against Werewolf by Night, but I think either Black Spectre or The Hood could work. Actually, they could introduce The Hood in Moon Knight series, and then bring him to Defenders series as the main villain with his supervillain gang.
That would be cool.
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Maybe mark spoilers by episode? With these sorts of shows people like to discuss as they watch it "ongoing", so unmarked spoilers are a bigger deal here than other threads on TV shows (which generally discuss mostly the most recent).
Then we can all cross discuss depending on completion.
So, Netflix films the entire season and deploys it en masse? If so, neato.
Yep.
That makes the freebie month worthwhile. Can whattatheycallitthesedays ... hole watch ... couch surf ... stay up all night and pretend to go to work ... I no 'members ...
Binge Watch? Marathon It?
Yep. Watch Daredevil while you're at it.
Sitting at episode 11, I think I can make a solid judgment that I like Daredevil more. I'm a sucker for a good fight scene, and Jessica couldn't fight her way out of a paper bag without her super strength.
That's actually sort of the point, Rynjin.
Yeah, and it seemed a deliberate theme. Because she has had her strength and enhanced healing from her teenage years, Jessica's never needed to learn to be as skilled and tactical a fighter as her fit-but-still-human-strength sister Trish. This also seemed to parallel
Also, Trish's mom was played by Rebecca DeMornay?!
That's actually sort of the point, Rynjin.
Which doesn't change my opinion, really.
@ Ryn tin tin: I agree. If I want fighting I'll go re-watch Daredevil. It had good camera work, it had "the hallway" and it really showed how DD in the end is just the boxer too punch drunk to know when to go down.
But that's not why I'm watching Jessica Jones.
I'm only 4 episodes in so far but after every one I feel like taking a shower. And I feel that, while I'm in that shower, I want to drink a 5th of whiskey and cry. Afterwards I want to scrub my brain.
In short, I watch JJ for the more emotional piece.
Last night I caught the episode where
That's brutal.
I've read comics off and on since I was a little kid. There was always a mind control thing happening, like Dr Faustus or Mastermind or whoever. But those were comics; they made Phoenix be mean or they tried to get Spider Man to rob a museum. You didn't SEE the really dark crap it could really do.
Nowadays sure, comics are a bit more gritty but they're still a bit limited. In JJ you are watching it, experiencing it with all the shame, horror and degradation it invokes. What's more you come to understand that what you're feeling on an empathetic level the person being controlled either IS feeling that or WILL feel that if they survive.
It reminds me of the possessed folks on Supernatural. A demon gets inside them and they are just passengers, watching themselves do horrifying things to other human beings. In that show they do most of the horror off-screen or in narration.
In JJ you're in it with the controlled victims.
Finally in Daredevil you have a hero trapped in a mortal man. Murdock sets out from the very beginning to do something good. He's not always successful nor is he always doing it the right way, but he's trying.
Jones played the hero once and failed. By the time we pick her up in the series she's broken, defeated and unwilling to try again. She wants to run and hide at first. Even when she decides to act she's brutal, reactionary; she's scared.
Murdock is the "man without fear" while Jones is terrified of everything. Not surprisingly, even though both shows are gritty, Daredevil's world is always tinged with a bit of hope while JJ just keeps slowly sinking deeper and deeper into the quagmire.
But... I'm only up to episode 5 having watched 1-4. Who knows; maybe this is where it all turns around and her costume comes out of mothballs and the whole show gets its hero on. Maybe this is when the light comes in!
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I need another shower and another bottle.
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But... I'm only up to episode 5 having watched 1-4. Who knows; maybe this is where it all turns around and her costume comes out of mothballs and the whole show gets its hero on. Maybe this is when the light comes in!
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So Kilgrave: Sense Motive +17, Bluff +23, Diplomacy +23, Coax Information Rogue Talent, and "Do what I say (Ex)"
Do What I Say (Ex): At will, as a swift action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity, Kilgrave can instruct anyone within 60 feet to do what he says. Line of sight is not required, and the effect can work around corners up to the total distance of 60 feet, similar to how the message spell can work around barriers (therefore Kilgrave can use this ability on an invisible target within that range, and can use it on a target behind a stone wall if the wall has air openings that create an uninterrupted path to the target). This effect works like the following spells: suggestion, mass suggestion or dominate person (caster level 12). The effect can last a maximum of 12 hours with no save allowed, and the target is not immune to the command even if it would be harmful to the target. This is a sonic, disease effect (targets that are deaf or immune to diseases are immune to this effect). This effect can be suppressed by a silence spell and remove disease (DC 23 for the purposes of remove disease only). If a target under this effect is administered an antiplague, the target can attempt a Fort save (without the +5 bonus from antiplague) against a DC of 23. Similarly, if a target affected by this ability already ingested an antiplague within the last hour, it can attempt a Fort save (without the +5 bonus from antiplague) against a DC of 23.
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Minor episode 13 Easter eggs
In a brief car scene with Jessica and Trish, Jessica says that Trish has iron will, which alludes to her psychic powers in the comic books.
Claire Temple is Everywhere!
She may be Netflix's Agent Coulson/Nick Fury. All Claire needs to do now is to hang out with Iron Fist, and she'll have a clean sweep of all of Netflix's Defenders.
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After watching Jessica Jones in its entirety, I gotta say that I enjoyed it as much as Daredevil. It didn't have the same elements but the portrayal of JJ was definitely the way I imagined it ... same with Daredevil. She's not a hero. She knows she's not a hero. She knows she doesn't want to be the hero. But she has a heart. The way she looks out for people. The way she'll put herself in harm's way to protect people. And her story is much more tragic than Murdock's.
Only one part of the story that I didn't much like and I'm sure that will get explained more in the next season.
Tennant's portrayal of Killgrave was great. As you weave through the episodes, you see how twisted and evil he is. Not the portrayal of Kingpin. But evil without remorse. What happens when you're never taught to be good. Never really taught right from wrong. When you experience that the ends justify the means. (None of this are spoilers cause you gotta watch to understand.)
Krysten's portrayal of JJ was spot on. I didn't see her as any of her previous characters. She owned Jones. You felt for her. You saw her pain and tragedy. I liked the changes the writers made for her backstory and Walker's.
You could also see that for Cage. These were all damaged people. Jessica, Patsy, Luke, Killgrave. All damaged people that interwove their stories. And they did it well for 13 episodes. I love the writing and storytelling they've done on the Netflix shows. I am enjoying Agents of SHIELD. I like that everything is integrated and related.
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We got to see a fair amount of Luke Cage in this outing, so I wonder if Luke's series will have an equal amount of Jessica Jones in it as well.
Love all the interconnectivity with the rest of the MCU, even if it was kept off-screen (offhand references to the Hulk and Captain America, similar to the mentions of Thor and Iron Man in Daredevil, emotional fallout / consequences from 'the battle of New York,' etc.).
The actors all impressed me, since I was unfamiliar with them and didn't have anything really to go on. I'm not a fan of Jessica Jones, but Ritter did her justice, and Colter was an excellent Luke Cage. Ditto Rachael Taylor as 'Patsy' Walker, who was much more engaging to me than the comic book Hellcat ever was.
The overall arc perhaps fit the tone, but it ended up in a pretty dark place.