Mike,
Is there any limit for hand size regarding character generation?
What is so far the biggest hand size?
Will there be some upper limit?
Hopefully, 12 will be maximum... What do you think?
Surely it has to be Ranzak?
of course, if you do take Ranzak all the way up to 11, if he dies, you can play "Raise Dead" and he'll still need a net gain of at least 1 card before the end of his turn to not die again immediately...
Shapeshifted Damiel could have 10 hand size, discard all 10 cards (or more, if he had 'em!) and coast right into the grave at 20 next turn. :D
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Mike,
Is there any limit for hand size regarding character generation?
What is so far the biggest hand size?
Will there be some upper limit?
Hopefully, 12 will be maximum... What do you think?
Silly question, but why does it matter?
Unless you're designing homebrew characters and want the algorithm how to figure out maximum hand size, the designers probably don't deal with a maximum or upper limit on hand size. They probably have guidelines when adding different types of characters/classes and what is the optimum starting hand size. Obviously you work in that as the character advances and gains more card feats, you can opt to have more hand size options.
Theretically, the maximum hand size is the number of all boons in the adventure path...
But what is the designers limit?
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Theretically, the maximum hand size is the number of all boons in the adventure path...
But what is the designers limit?
Very untrue, theoretically.
First, you can't have a hand size greater than the number of cards in your deck. You start with 15 cards in your deck. As soon as your character attempts to draw #16, you're dead.
Second, if you increase the hand size to more than 3/4 of the deck size, you limit the playability of the deck. You need to factor in discards (including buries and banishes), recharges and damage that can be taken. So going back to the 15 card deck with a hand size of 11, if you discard/bury/banish as well as take damage with a total of more than 4 cards, you're dead (probably).
So the most you're most probably going to see as a starting hand size is 7. If you somehow lose your entire hand in a turn, you can still (probably) draw up without dying. So designing characters and limiting their hand size is probably close to 1/2 their total deck size at any time. (Allowing them to increase their hand size by 1 per power feat, if available.)
Again, why does this matter unless you're trying to build your own characters? (In which case, this should be in Homebrew.)
There is no minimum or maximum. It's all about how the deck functions.
Sample character with hand size of 0.
Whenever you move to a new location or explore, draw a card.
Sample character with a hand size of 15.
You may bury a random card from your hand instead of drawing or revealing any number of cards from your deck.
Sample character with hand size of 1.
At the start of your turn, you may draw 1d6 cards from the deck of a character at your location.
At the end of your turn, recharge 4 cards (or your all hand if you have less than 4 cards) in the deck of a character at your location.
BTW Pirate a character with hand size of 0 would be nearly invulnerable: she would nearly never die!
Sample character with hand size of N+1, where N is the number of cards in your deck.
At the end of your turn, you die.
Sample character with hand size of N+1, where N is the number of cards in your deck.
At the
endstart ofyour turnthe game, you die.
FTFY
Which character has right now the highest achieve hand size? What is it?
I'm pretty sure it's Chirurgeon Damiel, using his power to discard in order to increase his hand size; and that number is arbitrary, as it depends on how many cards are in his hand at the time he does it.
Great, but I mean a given hand size, so a explicit number given on the character sheet.
What is it?
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Since all of the character sheets are freely available, you should go look and let us know.
Since all of the character sheets are freely available, you should go look and let us know.
Sorry, but all my gaming stuff is in the kids-room and they are sleeping right now.
My hope was some PACG expert like Hawkmoon knew the answer right away...
I'm not sure if someone in the class decks goes up to 12; so I'm going to provisionally say that 11 is the number, and Ranzak has it for sure.
Ranzak's 11 is the highest. I don't think anyone else even hits 10.
Amaryllis (Primalist) can also be 11 with a 4 on a d4. (That power is random but applies for an entire scenario.)
Nobody else can get to 10 in my quick scan through the sheets, though I might have missed another semi-permanent power. There's a bunch who can get to 9:
RotR Ezren (Evoker)
S&S Feiya (both roles)
WotR Balazar (Eidolomancer)
WotR Enora (Eldrich Savant)
Cleric CD Zarlova (Theurge)
Wizard CD Darago (both roles)
Wizard CD Ezren (Transmogrifier).
Deck size is a weird thing in this game since it represents squishiness and available options. I don't have enough time with role cards to know how high to push it, but I've wanted at least one bump on all of my characters so far.
Shapeshifted Damiel could have 10 hand size, discard all 10 cards (or more, if he had 'em!) and coast right into the grave at 20 next turn. :D
It doesn't stop there though. If he still had 20 cards left in his deck there isn't anything stopping him from using that power *AGAIN*
30 hand size and likely no cards to pull.