I'm planning on playing a Winter Witch in an up-coming PFS game.
I don't like the familiars you get to choose from for a winter witch, so I was wondering if I take improved familiar feat at "1st level", may I choose say for example the Greensting scorpion?
So I'm confused as to why it says a winter witch that takes Improved Familiar feat can select "any familiar" she desires, save for familiars with the fire subtype.
As I'm interrupting it it's not saying from the improved familiar list but any familiar.
Familiar: Winter witches must choose a familiar that is native to the frozen north, even if they themselves operate in other regions. Traditionally, this limits winter witch familiar choices to bat, cat, fox, hawk, owl, rat, raven, or weasel. A winter witch who gains the Improved Familiar feat can select any familiar she desires, save for familiars with the fire subtype..
Rules As Written, I suppose you could choose a Celestial/Resolution/Entropic/Fiendish(*) Greensting Scorpion (or similarly augmented standard familiar) at Level 3, but it seems kind of a waste of a feat unless you're just doing it as a stopover to upgrading to something more capable at higher levels. Note that the prerequisites for Improved Familiar are having high enough level for the Improved Familiar, and the lowest minimum level in the Improved Familiar table (which is for the above augmentations and a couple of other low level Improved Familiars) is 3rd.
(*)I thought that Counterpoised was also in there at one point, but now it doesn't seem to be.
I was always told that the "required level" on the Improved Initiative table is gospel, and you can't circumvent that regardless of what the archetypes say.
Totally confusing, they really need to fact check the rules before putting this stuff out.
I was always told that the "required level" on the Improved Initiative table is gospel, and you can't circumvent that regardless of what the archetypes say.
Supposed to be Improved Familiar . . .
Totally confusing, they really need to fact check the rules before putting this stuff out.
This particular issue doesn't seem confusing, but I agree that they should consistency/interaction check the rules more carefully, because one can find other problems elsewhere.
I was always told that the "required level" on the Improved Initiative table is gospel, and you can't circumvent that regardless of what the archetypes say.Supposed to be Improved Familiar . . .
Totally confusing, they really need to fact check the rules before putting this stuff out.This particular issue doesn't seem confusing, but I agree that they should consistency/interaction check the rules more carefully, because one can find other problems elsewhere.
Well I have to disagree, they print one thing only to find out that what they print is to be disregarded.
Also their list of familiars native to the frozen north is very poor not to mention no research.bat, cat, fox, hawk, owl, rat, raven, or weasel.
They've got a rat but not a rabbit/hare for example. Another one that doesn't make sense is a bat, I've lived in some very cold climates and good luck on finding bats flapping around.
I was always told that the "required level" on the Improved Initiative table is gospel, and you can't circumvent that regardless of what the archetypes say.Supposed to be Improved Familiar . . .
Totally confusing, they really need to fact check the rules before putting this stuff out.This particular issue doesn't seem confusing, but I agree that they should consistency/interaction check the rules more carefully, because one can find other problems elsewhere.
There's nothing done wrong. Yes Winter Witches CAN take Improved Familiar, ONCE THEY SATISFY THE CASTER LEVEL PRE-REQUISITE. Do you really think they needed to add that obvious line?
If you want to play a winter witch, then yes you have to start with one of the ordinary familiars and then at the appropriate level, take the feat for the familiar you want as long as it's not fire-based, and you meet the pre-reqs for both the familiar and the feat.
I didn't mean upset you, but YES I DO THINK THEY NEED TO ADD THE LINE.
See I can type in capitals also. lol
I managed to get both sides upset -- I must have done something right . . . .
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I'm planning on playing a Winter Witch in an up-coming PFS game.
I don't like the familiars you get to choose from for a winter witch, so I was wondering if I take improved familiar feat at "1st level", may I choose say for example the Greensting scorpion?
As others have mentioned, unless a class very specifically calls out that the character can ignore prerequisites, you always have to fulfill those prerequisites.
The text in question, is there to help the players who take improved familiar, since in many cases their living arrangements are subject to debate (angels etc.).
And from a practical perspective, many improved familiars are significantly stronger than a couple of first level characters, thus it would be difficult to justify.
That said, I don't think that the list is meant to be exhaustive and while a scorpion is definitely out of the question (without Improved Familiar) some other familiars might be an option.
Just let me ask, is there a particular reason why you want to play as a winter witch (I am seeing another rules complication ahead) ?
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That said, I don't think that the list is meant to be exhaustive and while a scorpion is definitely out of the question (without Improved Familiar) some other familiars might be an option.
Unfortunately, for PFS that list is considered exhaustive, even though there are some perfectly reasonable ones that have come out since then.
I have a Winter Witch in non-PFS play -- it's a fun class.
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That said, I don't think that the list is meant to be exhaustive and while a scorpion is definitely out of the question (without Improved Familiar) some other familiars might be an option.Unfortunately, for PFS that list is considered exhaustive, even though there are some perfectly reasonable ones that have come out since then.
I have a Winter Witch in non-PFS play -- it's a fun class.
Interesting, has this been challenged yet?