# Quick draw and TWF.

### Rules Questions

Say I am wielding a bow and have the quick draw feat, I am aware that the feat allows me to switch out my bow for a weapon but what if I want to pull out two weapons? I'm pretty sure drawing a weapon is a free action, so I don't see a problem with switching out the bow for a weapon as a free action, then using another free action to draw the second weapon. Would this work in the inverse situation of wanting to put the two weapons away for the bow.

noble peasant wrote:
Say I am wielding a bow and have the quick draw feat, I am aware that the feat allows me to switch out my bow for a weapon but what if I want to pull out two weapons? I'm pretty sure drawing a weapon is a free action, so I don't see a problem with switching out the bow for a weapon as a free action, then using another free action to draw the second weapon. Would this work in the inverse situation of wanting to put the two weapons away for the bow.

You may draw as many weapons as you wish. If you throw weapons and have 10 attacks, you could draw and throw 10. However, quickdraw doesn't reduce the time it takes to put a weapon away, so switching isn't a free action.

Wait I thought the point of quickdraw was to switch weapons as a free action? Now I'm confused as to what quickdraw even does.

noble peasant wrote:
Wait I thought the point of quickdraw was to switch weapons as a free action? Now I'm confused as to what quickdraw even does.

QuickDraw is ment to allow you to draw a weapon as a free action so you are allowed to move and Attack. With a bow it allows you to draw and full Attack in one round.

It's normally a move action to draw/sheathe a weapon. Quickdraw makes it a free action to draw a weapon. It does nothing about sheathing weapons. So as I pointed out, a throwing weapon character can toss as many weapons as they wish with quickdraw. They just can't put them away any faster.

noble peasant wrote:
Wait I thought the point of quickdraw was to switch weapons as a free action? Now I'm confused as to what quickdraw even does.

It only allows you to draw weapons as a free action. Putting weapons away is an entirely different action.

Without quickdraw you need a move action to put a weapon away, and another move action to draw a weapon meaning you can't attack.

With quickdraw you can put a weapon away as a move action, draw one as a free action so you at least get one attack in, assuming you are close enough to attack. However with a bow distance is not really much of an obstacle.

Huh, did this change from what it did in 3.5 or have i just been doing it wrong?

Per my knowledge it has always been that way.

noble peasant wrote:
Huh, did this change from what it did in 3.5 or have i just been doing it wrong?

Does the exact same thing it did in 3.5

Quick Draw [General]

Prerequisite

Base attack bonus +1.

Benefit

You can draw a weapon as a free action instead of as a move action. You can draw a hidden weapon (see the Sleight of Hand skill) as a move action.

A character who has selected this feat may throw weapons at his full normal rate of attacks (much like a character with a bow).

Thank you for clarification.

Yeah, you can drop your weapon as a free action though, so you can drop you bow and draw.

_Ozy_ wrote:
Yeah, you can drop your weapon as a free action though, so you can drop you bow and draw.

Buy a Weapon Cord if you don't like the idea of just dropping your weapon on the ground.

noble peasant wrote:
Huh, did this change from what it did in 3.5 or have i just been doing it wrong?

It has always been this way.

Well it's good to know that I totally took the wrong thing from the description of that feat. Thank you for clearing that up.

graystone wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
Yeah, you can drop your weapon as a free action though, so you can drop you bow and draw.
Buy a Weapon Cord if you don't like the idea of just dropping your weapon on the ground.

Yeah, I would rule that a weapon dangling from a cord might interfere with your attacks, YMMV.

weapon cords already cause some sort of penalty

Actually, under the rules you can't switch weapons unless you untie or cut the cord, but no penalty when attacking with a 'corded' weapon.

There's a third party feat called Weapon Juggle that would allow you to sheathe weapons as a free action. It's great for switch hitter builds, assuming your GM would allow it.

Well, there is the Scabbard of Many Blades.

_Ozy_ wrote:
Actually, under the rules you can't switch weapons unless you untie or cut the cord, but no penalty when attacking with a 'corded' weapon.

Yeah, I forgot that. I guess take Grasping Tail then.

I have a question regarding quick draw. It doesn't specify weather the weapon has to be on you specifically. Could you draw the weapon as a free action if it's attached to your mount while riding it?

Graystone, while it is true that stowing an object has not changed between 3.5 and PF, I feel compelled to note that Quick Draw has in fact been changed between 3.5 and Pathfinder. Pathfinder introduced a new limitations against drawing alchemical items as well as scrolls, potions, and wands to the feat. I typically houserule away this limitation since it cripples the viability of alchemical weapons.

BUD87 wrote:
I have a question regarding quick draw. It doesn't specify weather the weapon has to be on you specifically. Could you draw the weapon as a free action if it's attached to your mount while riding it?

This isn't actually a Quickdraw question, but rather a question about drawing weapons in general.

"Draw or Sheathe a Weapon
Drawing a weapon so that you can use it in combat, or putting it away so that you have a free hand, requires a move action. This action also applies to weapon-like objects carried in easy reach, such as wands. If your weapon or weapon-like object is stored in a pack or otherwise out of easy reach, treat this action as retrieving a stored item."
CRB pg. 185

BUD87 wrote:
I have a question regarding quick draw. It doesn't specify weather the weapon has to be on you specifically. Could you draw the weapon as a free action if it's attached to your mount while riding it?

As Derklord said, it's a more general question. If you could normally draw it as a move action, then yes you could quick draw it (subject to the specifics of that feat).

Historically there were ways of sheathing/storing weapons on horses for easy access. Though they often took a lot longer to put away than to draw. The PF1 rules don't delve to that level, so it's really a GM decision. Personally I do allow players to draw weapons from their mounts as a normal draw. As long as they aren't being ridiculous about the number of weapons and have clearly defined what is on their PC and what is on the mount (and therefore not draw-able when dismounted).

Generally as long as the weapon is "prepped to be grabbed" you should be fine with most GMs, but if you're having to reach into a pack which is a separate action, or bend down and pick it up off the ground which is a different separate action, then the feat doesn't apply because its only modifying the normal "Draw Weapon" action.