My players were convinced the ex-gardener of "Plot Device" garden was in on their recent smuggling. He was Color sprayed, dragged into his own home, and tied up, gagged, and blind folded. His home was ransacked, and when he came-to he has interrogated, assaulted, and revived. Ultimately, he was completely not involved.
The other players decided no harm no fowl, and their identities were concealed, so they left. The Drow Alchemist (C.N), decided that to 'best clean up the loose end', she should pour ALCHEMIST'S FIRE into his MOUTH.
Suffice to say, it burned through his innards, charred his flesh and the ropes that bound him, and the next morning the Rosefield guards were investigating.
Even know, it's still going on, though the players have likely forgotten the consequences.
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My players were convinced the ex-gardener of "Plot Device" garden was in on their recent smuggling. He was Color sprayed, dragged into his own home, and tied up, gagged, and blind folded. His home was ransacked, and when he came-to he has interrogated, assaulted, and revived. Ultimately, he was completely not involved.
The other players decided no harm no fowl, and their identities were concealed, so they left. The Drow Alchemist (C.N), decided that to 'best clean up the loose end', she should pour ALCHEMIST'S FIRE into his MOUTH.
C.N
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One of the PCs (an archer rogue) in my Age of Worms game (well, sort of my game-- I'd handed over the reins to a friend of mine for a few sessions, and he was running this one) decided that she was sick of street urchins begging her for spare change, so she shot one of them in the head with a blunted arrow and rolled a critical hit. 10+ nonlethal damage vs. a 0-level commoner with one hit point. You do the math. Afterward, she defended her action by saying that she hadn't really meant to *kill* the kid, and that it didn't matter since no one would miss him anyway.
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Here's one I did years ago in a 2nd Ed game.
There was a demon hunting members of a family. We, the PCs were desperately trying to catch or stop the demon night after night. When the demon got down to the last family member, a 6 year old little girl, I got desperate. I put my ring of regeneration on the girl and waited for her to fall asleep. It took a while because the GM rightly ruled that the kid was more than a little freaked out. Then, while she slept I ran the girl through with a sword, leaving the sword in her heart, and buried the body in the family graveyard.
When the demon came, he couldn't find her. Night after night for a week until we finally solved the damned riddle and tracked the demon back to it's master destroying both.
Afterwards I dug up the body and pulled the sword out. The GM, in my opinion, was overly generous and the ring regenerated the girl bringing her back from the dead. It was 2nd edition and a ring of regen was way too powerful. Still disturbed the other players when they found out how I had safely hidden away the girl for a week. I had conveniently forgotten to tell them how I had hidden her from a demon that could track any living relative of the family to absolve them of any guilt.
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Here's one I did years ago in a 2nd Ed game.
There was a demon hunting members of a family. We, the PCs were desperately trying to catch or stop the demon night after night. When the demon got down to the last family member, a 6 year old little girl, I got desperate. I put my ring of regeneration on the girl and waited for her to fall asleep. It took a while because the GM rightly ruled that the kid was more than a little freaked out. Then, while she slept I ran the girl through with a sword, leaving the sword in her heart, and buried the body in the family graveyard.
When the demon came, he couldn't find her. Night after night for a week until we finally solved the damned riddle and tracked the demon back to it's master destroying both.
Afterwards I dug up the body and pulled the sword out. The GM, in my opinion, was overly generous and the ring regenerated the girl bringing her back from the dead. It was 2nd edition and a ring of regen was way too powerful. Still disturbed the other players when they found out how I had safely hidden away the girl for a week. I had conveniently forgotten to tell them how I had hidden her from a demon that could track any living relative of the family to absolve them of any guilt.
At least you made sure she lived. I know people who would have done the same thing, but just left her dead.
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At least you made sure she lived. I know people who would have done the same thing, but just left her dead.
And lose the ring of regeneration? Not a chance.
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It's okay Mikaze, I agree that it's off the deep end of CN, and into the wading pool of CE
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At least you made sure she lived. I know people who would have done the same thing, but just left her dead.And lose the ring of regeneration? Not a chance.
No, they wouldn't have given her the ring of regeneration to begin with. Just killed her. And maybe converted her into an undead.
But... but... but that costs a whole 25 gold!
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It was a dark and stormy night when my PCs came up with the cruelest of plans; They frequently played each side against each other in a paranormal cyberpunk game which featured a war between 3 BBEGs. I had this super annoying girl (think of Miranda Sings) NPC who was one of the groups main mission givers. They set her up on a date with their least favorite BBEG (the vampire lord) and sat back to watch the fireworks... it was a lot of work for me but everyone was laughing their ass off.
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One I remembered last year from Jade Regent.
Some backstory: There's three ninja clans you can buy the services of in Book Five.
- The Emerald Branch, who are actual legitimate good guys in Xianghua (our group's equivalent of China.)
- The Dragonshadow, who are basically a clan of ninja who worship/are employed by/are at the (mercy, whims) of an imperial dragon. Maybe.
- The Black Lotus; think Golgo 13 the ninja clan. You pay them, you don't double-cross them, THEY GET THE JOB DONE, no exceptions. Rumors of "I heard they don't even show you their jians for less than five thousand gold" might or might not be exaggerations.
There is also an artifact I will refer to as THE COIN, which is the very first payment ever accepted by a ninja in Eyshan history. It has the power to unleash great catastrophe should it fall into the wrong hands. The Dragonshadow and Black Lotus are equally interested in THE COIN.
The group, after doing enough fighting and looting through the Pearl Merchant's Manor and fighting the corrupt governor, get enough money to buy the ninja clans' services. They easily pay for the Emerald Branch's assistance. Now, I'm expecting them to give THE COIN to the Dragonshadow, because imperial dragons are (mostly) good guys.
Nope. They give THE COIN to the Black Lotus. My friends' rationale is "the Black Lotus are less shady than the guys who worship the dragon. With the Black Lotus, you know they'll get the job done!"
The Dragonshadow guy doubles his price, the group strongly (and violently) objects, and the Emerald Branch representative says that she'll forward the group's payment for their services (but not the representative's corpse.)
I generally play very amoral characters so it's a little difficult for me to determine the cruelest thing any of my characters ever did.
My last character was a tevinter nobleman mage in my DM's dragon age home brew. I had to do a few services to gain some allies on my side before I was put on trial by the magisterium for treason, the rest of the group helped until it came to killing one nobelmans bastard kids. His ex-lover killed his natural born heirs to make way for her children to assume his estates when he died so he wanted to kill her children in revenge but he couldn't be the one to do it because she had to much dirt on him. Naturally my LE mage had no problems using a dream spell and killing the 4 yr old and the 6 yr old in their sleep leaving the party non the wiser.
then it turns out the trial was a set up by the archon to have me and my friends there to witness the bloody sacrificing of 99% of the magisterium to fuel the alter that was used to rip open the fade the first time.
My DM ran a really great game and at the end of it my mage became the consort to the new archon, which was the daughter of the old archon, she was the face but simply refused to be bothered with the duties of ruling so that left me with all the power, another player became her lover so pretty much everyone lived happily ever after. I did make sure she accepted my greater bestow curse that she can only bear male children from my character so she can have as many lovers as she likes but can only carry my heirs.
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In a long ago 1e game my character was sent to another dimension to help Mum-Ra finally defeat the Thundercats. My character boiled Snarf alive in a large kettle of soup.
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No, they wouldn't have given her the ring of regeneration to begin with. Just killed her. And maybe converted her into an undead.At least you made sure she lived. I know people who would have done the same thing, but just left her dead.And lose the ring of regeneration? Not a chance.
It it had been the only way to save the girl I'd have given her the ring; but I do usually play NG or CG characters.
Cruelest... Well, not as a GM, but my halfling tribal shaman (barbarian, True Primitive/Wild Rager, ranks in KN religion, alchemy, and cooking) had a habit of insisting of "seeing that all foes be correctly prepared for the after life", took the corpses, and disappeared into a tent for a little while.
Took the party over half the campaign to realize that the tribal halfling was actually dismantling the corpses, preserving and cooking the meat for their meals, using the skins and hair for various purposes ('parchment', 'rope', 'leather'), and using the bones as disposable weaponry/armor.
What made them do a triple-take was the fact that over the course of the campaign, he had done this for the slaughtered villages they'd come across as well... Yes, even the children... And they wondered where all the skulls full of caltrops and tanglefoot goop game from.
Cruelest... Well, not as a GM, but my halfling tribal shaman (barbarian, True Primitive/Wild Rager, ranks in KN religion, alchemy, and cooking) had a habit of insisting of "seeing that all foes be correctly prepared for the after life", took the corpses, and disappeared into a tent for a little while.
Took the party over half the campaign to realize that the tribal halfling was actually dismantling the corpses, preserving and cooking the meat for their meals, using the skins and hair for various purposes ('parchment', 'rope', 'leather'), and using the bones as disposable weaponry/armor.
What made them do a triple-take was the fact that over the course of the campaign, he had done this for the slaughtered villages they'd come across as well... Yes, even the children... And they wondered where all the skulls full of caltrops and tanglefoot goop game from.
If it had been my PC in that situation, I would have just taken my sword and chopped that halfling into little pieces for pulling such a horrible prank. Such an individual is clearly a threat to society, and must be eradicated. It's a halfling with a really sick sense of humor.
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What's so horrible about it?
You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.
What's so horrible about it?
You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.
I'm pretty sure that several of the humanoid races do not qualify for animal.
If it had been my PC in that situation, I would have just taken my sword and chopped that halfling into little pieces for pulling such a horrible prank. Such an individual is clearly a threat to society, and must be eradicated. It's a halfling with a really sick sense of humor.
Why? How is it a threat to society if he's using already dead meat? I did mention it was a tribal, true primitive archetyped barbarian, after all. It was the tribe's custom to honor the dead by not allowing any portion of their physical being to waste, lest the soul not find peace in the afterlife.
Perhaps you misunderstood the 'slaughtered villages' part? They were dead when we got there. The poor little tribal had no knowledge of alternate burial practices (no cleric in the party I might add), therefore, did as his tribe deemed.
If it was feeding the party the meat... Well, they never asked. IMO it wasn't very 'cruel', but I know many would. Unintended cruelty really....
The purposefully cruel part (in his mind) was using the skull of the BBEG's lover as a diseased material filled bomb during a castle siege....
I'm pretty sure that several of the humanoid races do not qualify for animal.
And I'm pretty sure dragons, aboleths, megafauna, and many undead would disagree with you. Point being, depends on how ya look at it.
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I am pretty sure Ghoulish acts like consuming the dead of humanoid races is strictly evil in alignment... Which in my game would have transformed him into an NPC very quickly. I mean a fully practicing member of an evil tribe does NOT usually make a good team mate.
<.<.... >.>.... *looks over Alignment section in rulebooks*... Nope, nothin'.
Besides, he wasn't "gaining power" from it... Like, gods forbid, the ULTIMATE EVIL OF DHAMPIR WITH THE BLOOD DRINKER FEAT! OMFG RUUUNN!!!
He was simply using an object (Corpse) to make the materials necessary to survive, while at the same time doing what he was taught to appease the sentience (Soul) that used to reside in said object....
In any case... The DM of the time dictated such matters were more Law/Chaos, and the tribe was CN, as most barbarian tribals were. Not like they were Aztec-ing it up by soaking pyramids in blood with live heart-ripping sacrifices to their deities.
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I am pretty sure Ghoulish acts like consuming the dead of humanoid races is strictly evil in alignment... Which in my game would have transformed him into an NPC very quickly. I mean a fully practicing member of an evil tribe does NOT usually make a good team mate.
That's just a cultural bias on your part. To quote something I've written in a different thread:
For the Amazonian Wari' eating deceased in-laws (affines) was an act of compassionate cannibalism, the practice of which continued until somewhere between 1956 and 1969. This endocanibalism (eating a member of you own group)was done out of compassion for the deceased and their family. The spirit of the dead would be pleased and the family consoled; the though of burying the body in the cold ground was considered tragic and a cause for upset. Eating the dead was not done out gratification as the act eating could be very unpleasant for the participants, nor was it for the Wari' an act of inhuman savagery - for them it was the ultimate act of compassion. Thus if Pathfinder was written from their perspective burial of the dead could well be an evil act.
What's so horrible about it?
You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.
So now humans qualify as animals?
If it had been my PC in that situation, I would have just taken my sword and chopped that halfling into little pieces for pulling such a horrible prank. Such an individual is clearly a threat to society, and must be eradicated. It's a halfling with a really sick sense of humor.Why? How is it a threat to society if he's using already dead meat? I did mention it was a tribal, true primitive archetyped barbarian, after all. It was the tribe's custom to honor the dead by not allowing any portion of their physical being to waste, lest the soul not find peace in the afterlife.
Perhaps you misunderstood the 'slaughtered villages' part? They were dead when we got there. The poor little tribal had no knowledge of alternate burial practices (no cleric in the party I might add), therefore, did as his tribe deemed.
If it was feeding the party the meat... Well, they never asked. IMO it wasn't very 'cruel', but I know many would. Unintended cruelty really....
The purposefully cruel part (in his mind) was using the skull of the BBEG's lover as a diseased material filled bomb during a castle siege....
I'm pretty sure that several of the humanoid races do not qualify for animal.And I'm pretty sure dragons, aboleths, megafauna, and many undead would disagree with you. Point being, depends on how ya look at it.
You're saying that eating human flesh is okay? Maybe it seemed okay to the halfling, but he never asked the other PCs whether they were fine with cannibalism, and he totally would have known that eating dead humans is a no-no in most cultures. So he is still guilty.
So now humans qualify as animals?What's so horrible about it?
You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.
My players were convinced the ex-gardener of "Plot Device" garden was in on their recent smuggling. He was Color sprayed, dragged into his own home, and tied up, gagged, and blind folded. His home was ransacked, and when he came-to he has interrogated, assaulted, and revived. Ultimately, he was completely not involved.
Interrogated, assaulted, and revived? In that order?
The other players decided no harm no fowl, and their identities were concealed, so they left. The Drow Alchemist (C.N), decided that to 'best clean up the loose end', she should pour ALCHEMIST'S FIRE into his MOUTH.
C.N>:(
Survey says... yes.So now humans qualify as animals?What's so horrible about it?
You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.
And most people would say cannibalism is bad.
Eating intelligent humanoids counts as an evil act. See below.
The witch can create fabulous spells by cooking an intelligent humanoid creature in her cauldron, either alive or dead.
Effect: Using this hex creates one meal or serving of food of the witch’s choice, typically a delicious stew or a dough suitable for cookies, pastries, or other desserts. Cooking the victim takes 1 hour. Eating the food provides one of the following benefits for 1 hour: age resistance, bear’s endurance, bull’s strength, cat’s grace, eagle’s splendor, fox’s cunning, neutralize poison (instantaneous), owl’s wisdom, remove disease (instantaneous). Alternatively, the witch can shape the dough into a Small, human-like creature, animating it as a homunculus for 1 hour. The witch must have the cauldron hex to select this hex. Using this hex or knowingly eating its food is an evil act.
Eating intelligent humanoids counts as an evil act. See below.
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That's to gain power, though in this case I agree.
Though excellent for your NPC witch villain, the party will want to stop that.
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The BBEG of a particular campaign happened to be a Djinn.
Through some interesting shenanigans the party managed to finagle a single wish out of the Djinn, as part of a contract the Djinn hadn't fulfilled that the party became the proprietors of.
This particular Djinn was well known for corrupt wishes, and the contract stipulated that the Djinn got to pick which of us got the wish. One of us had to make the wish right then and there, it was practically guaranteed to become twisted against us, and as soon as the wish was granted the Djinn would do everything in his power to destroy us.
To top things off, there was a Goblin in the party. The Djinn picked the Goblin to grant the wish to. None of the rest of us were allowed to help word the wish.
The whole group is terrified.
The goblin thinks about it for a while and then says to the Djinn "I wish you were a normal duck, forever."
The GMs face was priceless.
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Did he eat the duck?
I'm not sure I should share, it would probably violate some board rule or other.
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Just another typical Lawful Good campaign.
The BBEG of a particular campaign happened to be a Djinn.
Through some interesting shenanigans the party managed to finagle a single wish out of the Djinn, as part of a contract the Djinn hadn't fulfilled that the party became the proprietors of.
This particular Djinn was well known for corrupt wishes, and the contract stipulated that the Djinn got to pick which of us got the wish. One of us had to make the wish right then and there, it was practically guaranteed to become twisted against us, and as soon as the wish was granted the Djinn would do everything in his power to destroy us.
To top things off, there was a Goblin in the party. The Djinn picked the Goblin to grant the wish to. None of the rest of us were allowed to help word the wish.
The whole group is terrified.
The goblin thinks about it for a while and then says to the Djinn "I wish you were a normal duck, forever."
The GMs face was priceless.
Any particular reason the Goblin wanted a duck? Just curious.
That's to gain power, though in this case I agree.Eating intelligent humanoids counts as an evil act. See below.
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I fail to see why gaining power out of the act is relevant at all to the evil act itself?
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I am pretty sure Ghoulish acts like consuming the dead of humanoid races is strictly evil in alignment... Which in my game would have transformed him into an NPC very quickly. I mean a fully practicing member of an evil tribe does NOT usually make a good team mate.
The True Neutral Lizardfolk race says otherwise.
So now humans qualify as animals?What's so horrible about it?
You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.
If by "now" you mean "since the dawn of time" yes.
Crack open a Biology textbook some time.
I fail to see why gaining power out of the act is relevant at all to the evil act itself?That's to gain power, though in this case I agree.Eating intelligent humanoids counts as an evil act. See below.
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Logically, it isn't.
Based on the frankly nonsensical morality of a few of the Paizo devs, it matters.
If Rolf has to kill someone in order to defend himself, we accept that.
If Rolf is attacked and has to resort to biting his attacker in order to escape or avoid being killed, we accept that.
If Rolf bites his attacker and decides to swallow the attacker's blood, that's just creepy and inappropriate.
If Rolf swallow's the attacker's blood and his eyes light up with joy and he gets stronger for doing so, that's evil.
Killing people is okay.
Eating people is okay.Gaining any benefit from eating people besides "teh lulz" is NOT okay.
LOGIC!
I doesn't matter if Rolf is a human, dhampir, half-orc, or gnome; gaining power from drinking a person's blood is creepy and evil.
Yet another notch on the fact that apparently around the Paizo office Creepy And Disturbing = Evil... With a Capital E!
I am pretty sure Ghoulish acts like consuming the dead of humanoid races is strictly evil in alignment... Which in my game would have transformed him into an NPC very quickly. I mean a fully practicing member of an evil tribe does NOT usually make a good team mate.
The True Neutral Lizardfolk race says otherwise.
So now humans qualify as animals?What's so horrible about it?
You're supposed to use all parts of the animal, you know.
If by "now" you mean "since the dawn of time" yes.
Crack open a Biology textbook some time.
This is offensive. By saying this, you are implying that I am an unintelligent moron, and you appear to think I have never been to school or, as you put it, "cracked open a Biology textbook". If humans qualify as animals, then the killing of animals would be considered murder. I hope you do not think that the life of, say, a sheep is worth as much as that of a human. Maybe humans ARE animals, but if we are, then we are definitely a higher form of animal. There is a reason lions don't rule the earth. Please do not continue to insult my intellect.
The PC and cohort in my solo campaign got turned into vampires as a result of an unfortunate random encounter. The cohort was a witch, and her fox familiar left once she died and took up with an NPC -- he didn't want to revert to being a normal creature. The NPC was a little girl, and had only a vague idea what was happening.
In retaliation the PC and her cohort tracked down and murdered the kid's older brother, messily, because he was her sole surviving family member and that would show her how it felt to lose someone you cared about. It was pretty messed up. I mean, they were vampires at the time, but still.
I hope those PCs were evil-aligned, or became evil-aligned when they did that.
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This is offensive. By saying this, you are implying that I am an unintelligent moron, and you appear to think I have never been to school or, as you put it, "cracked open a Biology textbook". If humans qualify as animals, then the killing of animals would be considered murder. I hope you do not think that the life of, say, a sheep is worth as much as that of a human. Maybe humans ARE animals, but if we are, then we are definitely a higher form of animal. There is a reason lions don't rule the earth. Please do not continue to insult my intellect.
It wasn't much of an insult, but you can act all hurt if you want. I was merely pointing out what seemed like a very big gap in your knowledge. Humans have always been a part of Kingdom Animalia, and while we have a higher intellect than other animal species, that does not change that classification.
Your logic is flawed on the second part. Killing animals is not murder, because murder is neither defined as merely "killing" nor is murder even defined as "unlawfully killing a living creature", it is (simplified) "unlawfully killing, with malice aforethought, another HUMAN".
At no point does saying humans are animals imply that a non-human animal has the same rights as a human.
Further, we were never talking about the life of human, we were speaking of the CORPSE of a human, and how a primitive tribesman whose beliefs include cannibalism might view the process of using every part of an already dead human.
Context is key.
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This is offensive. By saying this, you are implying that I am an unintelligent moron, and you appear to think I have never been to school or, as you put it, "cracked open a Biology textbook". If humans qualify as animals, then the killing of animals would be considered murder. I hope you do not think that the life of, say, a sheep is worth as much as that of a human. Maybe humans ARE animals, but if we are, then we are definitely a higher form of animal. There is a reason lions don't rule the earth. Please do not continue to insult my intellect.It wasn't much of an insult, but you can act all hurt if you want. I was merely pointing out what seemed like a very big gap in your knowledge. Humans have always been a part of Kingdom Animalia, and while we have a higher intellect than other animal species, that does not change that classification.
Your logic is flawed on the second part. Killing animals is not murder, because murder is neither defined as merely "killing" nor is murder even defined as "unlawfully killing a living creature", it is (simplified) "unlawfully killing, with malice aforethought, another HUMAN".
At no point does saying humans are animals imply that a non-human animal has the same rights as a human.
Further, we were never talking about the life of human, we were speaking of the CORPSE of a human, and how a primitive tribesman whose beliefs include cannibalism might view the process of using every part of an already dead human.
Context is key.
I did ask you to stop.
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I did ask you to stop.This is offensive. By saying this, you are implying that I am an unintelligent moron, and you appear to think I have never been to school or, as you put it, "cracked open a Biology textbook". If humans qualify as animals, then the killing of animals would be considered murder. I hope you do not think that the life of, say, a sheep is worth as much as that of a human. Maybe humans ARE animals, but if we are, then we are definitely a higher form of animal. There is a reason lions don't rule the earth. Please do not continue to insult my intellect.It wasn't much of an insult, but you can act all hurt if you want. I was merely pointing out what seemed like a very big gap in your knowledge. Humans have always been a part of Kingdom Animalia, and while we have a higher intellect than other animal species, that does not change that classification.
Your logic is flawed on the second part. Killing animals is not murder, because murder is neither defined as merely "killing" nor is murder even defined as "unlawfully killing a living creature", it is (simplified) "unlawfully killing, with malice aforethought, another HUMAN".
At no point does saying humans are animals imply that a non-human animal has the same rights as a human.
Further, we were never talking about the life of human, we were speaking of the CORPSE of a human, and how a primitive tribesman whose beliefs include cannibalism might view the process of using every part of an already dead human.
Context is key.
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking me to stop. Explaining how you are wrong (factually, on the very definition of several words) is not an insult.
I did ask you to stop.This is offensive. By saying this, you are implying that I am an unintelligent moron, and you appear to think I have never been to school or, as you put it, "cracked open a Biology textbook". If humans qualify as animals, then the killing of animals would be considered murder. I hope you do not think that the life of, say, a sheep is worth as much as that of a human. Maybe humans ARE animals, but if we are, then we are definitely a higher form of animal. There is a reason lions don't rule the earth. Please do not continue to insult my intellect.It wasn't much of an insult, but you can act all hurt if you want. I was merely pointing out what seemed like a very big gap in your knowledge. Humans have always been a part of Kingdom Animalia, and while we have a higher intellect than other animal species, that does not change that classification.
Your logic is flawed on the second part. Killing animals is not murder, because murder is neither defined as merely "killing" nor is murder even defined as "unlawfully killing a living creature", it is (simplified) "unlawfully killing, with malice aforethought, another HUMAN".
At no point does saying humans are animals imply that a non-human animal has the same rights as a human.
Further, we were never talking about the life of human, we were speaking of the CORPSE of a human, and how a primitive tribesman whose beliefs include cannibalism might view the process of using every part of an already dead human.
Context is key.
See Rynjyn's above statement. In no way did he insult your intelligence. If your reasoning is flawed, then he has all the right to tell you so. That is what one does in a discussion.
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Did he eat the duck?
Nope. It ended up being a pet in the office of the guy the group worked for, along with an immortal cat (long story).
Any particular reason the Goblin wanted a duck? Just curious.
I think it was just the most harmless animal he could think of on short notice.
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See Rynjyn's above statement. In no way did he insult your intelligence. If your reasoning is flawed, then he has all the right to tell you so. That is what one does in a discussion.
Yes and no.
First one certainly contained an insult, while second started pretty harsh (belittling her feelings reference the initial insult).
While technically correct, Rynjin's replies ignore a large and well-established set of traditional views - i.e. "humans aren't animals" - which even the game system we all play acknowledges.
Humans are part of the larger "animalia" but they are not, culturally speaking, animals, in the same way that other creatures are.
While murder is, broadly, defined as the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, another human (the 'especially' part murder), it colloquially refers to (at least most people would probably understand it to be) the whole thing with any sentient creature - the trick being that we've yet to find a truly sentient (as we define/understand it) creature other than ourselves.
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Anyway, I'd recommend both drop it. It's a tangent worth noting and learning from and then moving on. :)
EDIT: a couple times for clarity; typing with bottle-feeding baby is haaaaaaaaaaard. :D And again for user names...