CORE Can you scribe a non core from a spellbook and keep it?


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We found a spellbook in a CORE game that contained the Vanish spell. One of our characters wanted to take the spellbook to a shop, have the spell scribed into a scroll, and keep it as a bought item beyond the end of the scenario.
Is this possible?


AM I missing SOMETHING or is THERE a reason for you TO capitalize that word?


If its in the game, then the game is , by definition, not core.

Can you think of a legitimate reason why you couldn't scribe it in character?


There's no official rules for what you can and cannot do when variant stuff creeps into a core game. If your GM lets you scribe it, go for it. If not, that's between you and him.


I'm thinking this is for pfs. In which case, no.

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This probably needs to be addressed by the people in charge of PFS Core, as I would imagine a large number of scenarios contain spells, items. etc that are not contained within the core rulebook.

You might also have better luck posting it in the correct forum: link

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As the question stands: no.

A wizard would be able to scribe it into his spellbook during the scenario and the GM would have to initial it. No other way. See the blog Learning Exotic Spells and the discussion of that blog.

Dark Archive

Uh, I don't imagine PFS would have any problem about scribing a spell from the APG. If this is a home game that specifically states "CORE ONLY" then it's the DM's call.

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[CORE] is the new variant of PFS. It's a specific shared campaign, just like existing PFS, but restricted to CRB only. That's what the OP was asking about.

As the question was asked, the answer is certainly, "no". Had the question been phrased differently it's more difficult to say. It'll be up to the CORE PFS venture team to decide.

Grand Lodge 4/5

If you're a Wizard, you can scribe the spell into your book. If you're not, and the scroll doesn't show up on the chronicle sheet, you're out of luck.

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Jeff Merola wrote:
If you're a Wizard, you can scribe the spell into your book.

Except if you're playing PFS Core, then that scroll basically had no right to exist in the scenario in the first place. And you cannot scribe it into your scrollbook, as it isn't in the core rulebook.


Rynjin wrote:
AM I missing SOMETHING or is THERE a reason for you TO capitalize that word?

It's an acronym?

Core Only, Real Entertainment
Cold Orange Rectangular Eels
Cream of Radish Edibles

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Kthulhu wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
If you're a Wizard, you can scribe the spell into your book.
Except if you're playing PFS Core, then that scroll basically had no right to exist in the scenario in the first place. And you cannot scribe it into your scrollbook, as it isn't in the core rulebook.

Incorrect! It's explicitly confirmed that a wizard can scribe non-core spells into his book if he finds them in a scenario.

Shadow Lodge

Wow. So PFS Core is basically Paizo saying "f~%+ you, non-wizurds". Martial characters have to be core-only, but wizurds can just add whatever to their spellbooks.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Any caster in Core can purchase a scroll that shows up on a chronicle sheet of theirs to add a non-core spell to their options, wizards are just the only ones who can do it from spellbooks.

Dark Archive 4/5

There are not that many spell books in scenarios and scarce pickings on non-core spells. I only know of one that has create pit for example and that's in a level 5-9.

It will however mean a wizard will likely scribe all non core spells whenever he finds them, of whatever level, and waste his money on a lot of them that will never see use.

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ZomB wrote:

There are not that many spell books in scenarios and scarce pickings on non-core spells. I only know of one that has create pit for example and that's in a level 5-9.

It will however mean a wizard will likely scribe all non core spells whenever he finds them, of whatever level, and waste his money on a lot of them that will never see use.

If it is the one I am thinking off that is also an extremely dangerous scenario with all sorts of screw you events in it.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

There was a blog post very recently written about this, on how Mike and John specifically do not want to screw non-wizard spellcasters over with this idea.

Dark Archive 4/5

andreww wrote:
If it is the one I am thinking off that is also an extremely dangerous scenario with all sorts of screw you events in it.

When you consider who you are going up against and where you get off lightly. Even Eando Kline wouldn't touch this one ;-)

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Kthulhu wrote:
Wow. So PFS Core is basically Paizo saying "f$!% you, non-wizurds". Martial characters have to be core-only, but wizurds can just add whatever to their spellbooks.

That's not entirely accurate. If a non-CORE item appears on a chronicle sheet, it is available to the character. So, if that martial character finds armor or a weapon that has a quality or something that is not CORe, and it appears on the chronicle sheet, it's availble to that character.

It might be helpful, if you haven't aleady done so, to read the blog where it was announced - that might answer many of your questions, and avoid the need for such hyperbole.

Grand Lodge 3/5

I'm the GM for the game mentioned in the OP.

The issue is basically spellbooks not appearing on chronicle sheets. So a wizard etc. has to write them into the book during the scenario right now, they can't delay them for a later time.

I have seen a post saying it was basically because of word count that they weren't included and that wizards can copy then and get a GM initial to cover them.

The player in question thought of a way around the issue by asking if he could take the spellbook while in scenario, go to an NPC spellcaster to get them to scribe the spell onto a scroll for later use. Something not needed in normal PFS as you can just go buy one.

Currently that character is not a wizard, although he plans to become one later and thus the interest in keeping access to a desirable non-core spell that he has seen.

The implications for letting a player hire an NPC to create a magic item for them I thought would be a bit too far ranging, thus the question here.

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Avatar-1 wrote:
There was a blog post very recently written about this, on how Mike and John specifically do not want to screw non-wizard spellcasters over with this idea.

The blog post that Avatar linked has the all of the rules for how and when you can get non-core spells. If the player does not have the option to do so during the scenario in question, they don't have the option ever. The only exception to this is scrolls on chronicles.

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Xazil wrote:

I'm the GM for the game mentioned in the OP.

The issue is basically spellbooks not appearing on chronicle sheets. So a wizard etc. has to write them into the book during the scenario right now, they can't delay them for a later time.

I have seen a post saying it was basically because of word count that they weren't included and that wizards can copy then and get a GM initial to cover them.

The player in question thought of a way around the issue by asking if he could take the spellbook while in scenario, go to an NPC spellcaster to get them to scribe the spell onto a scroll for later use. Something not needed in normal PFS as you can just go buy one.

Currently that character is not a wizard, although he plans to become one later and thus the interest in keeping access to a desirable non-core spell that he has seen.

The implications for letting a player hire an NPC to create a magic item for them I thought would be a bit too far ranging, thus the question here.

Nothing requires that the game end as soon as you finish off the last encounter. A PC wizard should be able to say, "and then I spend the next week scribing spells from this spellbook."

Something similar happens all the time when PC casters share spells.

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andreww wrote:
Xazil wrote:

<snip> Currently that character is not a wizard, although he plans to become one later and thus the interest in keeping access to a desirable non-core spell that he has seen.

The implications for letting a player hire an NPC to create a magic item for them I thought would be a bit too far ranging, thus the question here.

Nothing requires that the game end as soon as you finish off the last encounter. A PC wizard should be able to say, "and then I spend the next week scribing spells from this spellbook."

Something similar happens all the time when PC casters share spells.

Yes, the problem here is that the scenario was completed as a non-wizard.

Would you consider a character level 1:
Reclass into a wizard.
Copy the spells from the existing book into theirs.
Then reclass back out of wizard.

While staying "in scenario"?

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Xazil wrote:
andreww wrote:
Xazil wrote:

<snip> Currently that character is not a wizard, although he plans to become one later and thus the interest in keeping access to a desirable non-core spell that he has seen.

The implications for letting a player hire an NPC to create a magic item for them I thought would be a bit too far ranging, thus the question here.

Nothing requires that the game end as soon as you finish off the last encounter. A PC wizard should be able to say, "and then I spend the next week scribing spells from this spellbook."

Something similar happens all the time when PC casters share spells.

Yes, the problem here is that the scenario was completed as a non-wizard.

Would you consider a character level 1:
Reclass into a wizard.
Copy the spells from the existing book into theirs.
Then reclass back out of wizard.

While staying "in scenario"?

Nope. You decide what class you are when you start the scenario. You end the scenario as that class. Rebuilds occur outside scenarios. It's unfortunate that they don't get a chance to scribe that into their spellbook, but they weren't a wizard when they found it.

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