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UC: Flurry of Stars (Ex): A ninja with this ability can expend 1 ki point from her ki pool as a swift action before she makes a full-attack attack with shuriken. During that attack, she can throw two additional shuriken at her highest attack bonus, but all of her shuriken attacks are made at a –2 penalty, including the two extra attacks.
Q. Must all of the attacks during the full-attack be shuriken attacks? For example, if I am a monk/ninja adjacent to an adversary, may I Flurry with one unarmed strike, 5' back, then throw three shurikens (all attacks at -4) by invoking Flurry of Stars at the beginning of the sequence?
You can't do so with the Flurry of Stars ability from the ninja, as that states it must make a full-attack with shuriken.
However, you could use the monk's Flurry of Blows and interchange unarmed strikes and shuriken as you want, since the shuriken are monk weapons.
-- Given the oft vagaries of Paizo grammar, I'd like to see a solid consensus or designer input.
If you run it like you want, you could do a normal flurry, then just tack on 2 stars at -2, since the -2 only applies to the stars. I think the intent is clearly that you flurry with nothing but stars, and thus all the attacks take -2 penalty in exchange for the two extra attacks. (Similar to rapid shot.)
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Erm, I wouldn't go that far -- the "-2 to all attacks" restriction for these kinds of things is pretty firmly cemented across the rules & features landscape, as it were, ranging from Rapid Shot to Wild Fighting; and where they stack, everything is -4, etc.-- Given the oft vagaries of Paizo grammar, I'd like to see a solid consensus or designer input.If you run it like you want, you could do a normal flurry, then just tack on 2 stars at -2, since the -2 only applies to the stars.
I think the intent is clearly that you flurry with nothing but stars, and thus all the attacks take -2 penalty in exchange for the two extra attacks. (Similar to rapid shot.)
The precedent for intent would be Two Weapon Fighting, in which the use of multiple weapons is permitted, even two-handed weapons and light weapons or thrown weapons (from the off hand).
Essentially, the question boils down to: It it Paizo intent that "full-attack with" be grammatically identical to "full-attack only with"?
I think it reads as only, but I also think it deserves an FAQ.
The precedent for intent would be Two Weapon Fighting, in which the use of multiple weapons is permitted, even two-handed weapons and light weapons or thrown weapons (from the off hand).
I could be misreading your post, but...
When TWF you have a penalty to all the attacks, not just the extra attacks from the off-hand.
Without restriction, a level 8 monk can Flurry, making four attacks with unarmed strike or a sword or whatever, all with no penalty. And then take 2 extra attacks with shuriken on top of it. The -2 would only apply to those 2 extra attacks, the rest of the flurry would be at no penalty.
If the ability can only be made with shuriken, then all of those shuriken attacks take the -2 penalty, which falls in line with TWF and rapid shot.
I'll remove "clearly" from my statement, but I'm still thinking the intent is a shuriken-only flurry with 2 extra attacks. I could totally be wrong, though, and it does sort of make sense to let the monk mix-and-match, so I'll FAQ it.
Was about to make a topic about this, but found this one thus raising it.
Does Flurry of Stars only allow you to use Shuriken, or can you toss two Shuriken then make attacks with a melee weapon?
I'm firmly of the view that it should be read as 'only shuriken'
I think it would take an unusually liberal reading to justify using anything other than shuriken. It is clearly intended to be used only with shuriken, and as written there isn't much leeway for wriggle room. Anyone trying to use what little wriggle there is would receive short shrift at my table.