You know... Back to the Marvel Universe ending thing... I wonder what (if anything) will actually change, other than a few characters from parallel dimensions being incorporated by the main universe...
I don't like the idea of resurrecting Gwen Stacy because she's one of the very few comic book characters to actually stay dead, and that is a huge part of spider-man's mythology... But I gotta admit, that spider-woman Gwen from whatever-dimension has a really freaking cool costume! I kinda want her to stay around just because that costume is so awesome! Haha.
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The change over to the combined Ultimate universe was inevitable, as the modernized backgrounds and slight (and sometimes changed) alterations on character origins was beginning to become popular and Ultimate books didn't go away like 2099 did.
The longer the books kept being made, the more the hammer was coming down on the last nail of the coffin of the old continuing universe from the beginnings of the line.
I hope that Jubilee gets her power back and becomes more than a footnote of the Reaper storyline. I hope they do something with Forge and Banshee and have the various X titles have an "origin" story to begin the universe up straight. (X-Men, X-Force/New Mutants, Excaliber, X-Factor and so on)
I hope that Speedball gets his own book and goes on to lead New Warriors, a group that should provide a middle ground between the Avengers and Thunderbolts.
I hope that Bruce Banner will finally combine the personalities for good and become "The Professor" and that this will eventually be used in the movies. I really want to see the Parthenon back again, perhaps under the (unwanted) control of the Leader.
And yes, Spider-Man (Peter Parker) needs to be with his wife, Mary Jane Watson Parker.
I think that the combining was eventual to bring the books back in line to a lower title count instead of having each title have a book in both universes. I am surprised it took this long, after DC jumped the gun with The 52 combining universes then another splitting them up again and another setting up something else... wait, how many of these suckers have been done?
Disappointed, but not at all surprised.
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Ultimate universe was pretty cool... Then , in a single storyline, they f#+%ed everything up. -.-'
The Blob eating the Wasp... Seriously?! Who thought this was a good idea?
kind of an odd thought.
how much do the Movie rights cover?
Spider-Man for example. Does it cover Miles? or Spider-Gwen for that matter?
Post-Secret War merging if Miles gets himself a place in the main Marvel Universe, where does that stand as far as the movies are concearned? Can Marvel make a Miles Spider-Man movie and leave Peter to Sony?
My understanding is that Sony owns the rights to anything "Spider-x". Marvel can't even use Spider-woman, even though she doesn't have a whole lot to do with Peter Parker's Spider-man
Well, supposedly it isn't JUST the ultimate and main marvel universe which they are combining which is why so many are hoping that finally Peter and MJ are restored as a married couple (with hints that their daughter was actually born and raised).
As for Miles as Spiderman, if the go with my bets or the hopes of many, they restore Peter Parker and MJ to status quo, and Miles becomes the new Spiderman in the Main Marvel Universe.
Furthermore, I don't think Sony would have the rights to Miles (though they would retain rights to Peter Parker, and everything else prior to 2000 at least).
As for whether they could use Miles Morales as Spiderman...I don't know.
BUT...they HAVE been negotiating with Sony for usage of some marvel characters in the spiderman movies, AND spiderman with Marvel movies...
Perhaps there is some negotiation or something where they could use Miles or a Spiderman in one of their Avengers movies...probably not as the main protagonist of their own movie, but perhaps something like what's happened between Fox and Marvel with Quicksilver?
Spider girl had a bit of a legendary run. Peter lost his leg in his final battle with Green goblin and retired. His daughter May had the same powers. It worked.
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Ultimate universe was pretty cool... Then , in a single storyline, they f!$+ed everything up. -.-'
The Blob eating the Wasp... Seriously?! Who thought this was a good idea?
That sounds funny to me.
I'm not a Marvel reader, but I might have been tempted to read that one. We'll find out if his insides are AC10, and if 'muscular contractions' will close up the hole she leaves...of course, if she can't bust out, then maybe they'll just have to tempt him with a curry, and let nature take its course.
He was. =) Sad thing was, Spider girl only got something like eight issues.
But not as much as Bruce Wayne.Not compared to Batman is now a kid in a high tech batsuit, mentored by an aged Bruce Wayne. (That one's real - Batman Beyond. Not bad at times, but not actually Batman)Batman Beyond was awesome! :O
Terry McGinnis is just as much Batman as Dick Greyson! :)
True... Because one of the things that make Batman cool is his personality, which is very different from Dick's and Terry's (and that's great, we don't need a bunch of characters who act and behave the same).
And Damian is the best Robin ever!
WHOA....thems fightin words, buddy.
WHOA....thems fightin words, buddy.But not as much as Bruce Wayne.Not compared to Batman is now a kid in a high tech batsuit, mentored by an aged Bruce Wayne. (That one's real - Batman Beyond. Not bad at times, but not actually Batman)Batman Beyond was awesome! :O
Terry McGinnis is just as much Batman as Dick Greyson! :)
True... Because one of the things that make Batman cool is his personality, which is very different from Dick's and Terry's (and that's great, we don't need a bunch of characters who act and behave the same).
And Damian is the best Robin ever!
Which ones? The ones where I say that Damian is the best Robin ever?
Well, okay, then. i'm willing to fight for the TRUTH!
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He was. =) Sad thing was, Spider girl only got something like eight issues.
That's not correct. There was Spider-Girl that ran for 100 issues between 1998 and 2006 and then Amazing Spider-Girl run that went for something like 30 issues between 2006 and 2009.
He was. =) Sad thing was, Spider girl only got something like eight issues.That's not correct. There was Spider-Girl that ran for 100 issues between 1998 and 2006 and then Amazing Spider-Girl run that went for something like 30 issues between 2006 and 2009.
Ninja'd.
Wife is something of a spider girl fan. I liked the comic myself.
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WHOA....thems fightin words, buddy.But not as much as Bruce Wayne.Not compared to Batman is now a kid in a high tech batsuit, mentored by an aged Bruce Wayne. (That one's real - Batman Beyond. Not bad at times, but not actually Batman)Batman Beyond was awesome! :O
Terry McGinnis is just as much Batman as Dick Greyson! :)
True... Because one of the things that make Batman cool is his personality, which is very different from Dick's and Terry's (and that's great, we don't need a bunch of characters who act and behave the same).
And Damian is the best Robin ever!
Which ones? The ones where I say that Damian is the best Robin ever?
Well, okay, then. i'm willing to fight for the TRUTH!
Let's get one thing straight.
Tim is the best Robin.
Or we could watch the teen titans go episode about the best Robin, which was hilarious.
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He was. =) Sad thing was, Spider girl only got something like eight issues.That's not correct. There was Spider-Girl that ran for 100 issues between 1998 and 2006 and then Amazing Spider-Girl run that went for something like 30 issues between 2006 and 2009.Ninja'd.
Wife is something of a spider girl fan. I liked the comic myself.
Cool, my first Ninja
WHOA....thems fightin words, buddy.But not as much as Bruce Wayne.Not compared to Batman is now a kid in a high tech batsuit, mentored by an aged Bruce Wayne. (That one's real - Batman Beyond. Not bad at times, but not actually Batman)Batman Beyond was awesome! :O
Terry McGinnis is just as much Batman as Dick Greyson! :)
True... Because one of the things that make Batman cool is his personality, which is very different from Dick's and Terry's (and that's great, we don't need a bunch of characters who act and behave the same).
And Damian is the best Robin ever!
Which ones? The ones where I say that Damian is the best Robin ever?
Well, okay, then. i'm willing to fight for the TRUTH!
Let's get one thing straight.
Tim is the best Robin.
Or we could watch the teen titans go episode about the best Robin, which was hilarious.
Thank you for that Freehold. I swear, my wife and I are the only ones of my friends who like Teen Titans Go. At least there's somebody else I'm acquainted with now...
The show leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth as they cancelled perhaps the best dc animated series ever to create it. The first few episodes were utterly awful, but the later ones had better comedy and some interesting references to earlier series.
I just like parody and was a fan from the get go. Many don't seem to get that its SUPPOSED to be silly.
I love how Batman and Commissioner Gordon are just two guys hanging out, giggling inanely together...
Let's get one thing straight.
Tim is the best Robin.
Or we could watch the teen titans go episode about the best Robin, which was hilarious.
Tim is my second favorite, and the only one before Damian who I remember thinking "This robin is really cool!" when I was a kid... But Damian still takes the cake.
I always wanted to hit Damian. With a chair. Arrogant little bastard.
I just like parody and was a fan from the get go. Many don't seem to get that its SUPPOSED to be silly.
I love how Batman and Commissioner Gordon are just two guys hanging out, giggling inanely together...
I just love that raven is into that universe version of mlpfim. Hey sparkleface!
I just love that raven is into that universe version of mlpfim. Hey sparkleface!I just like parody and was a fan from the get go. Many don't seem to get that its SUPPOSED to be silly.
I love how Batman and Commissioner Gordon are just two guys hanging out, giggling inanely together...
And one of the ponies LIKES watching the Titans beat up the unicorns.
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I always wanted to hit Damian. With a chair. Arrogant little bastard.
Oh, yeah... He started as a real a@@+#$$. One of the things that made him cool was seeing him grow into a more likable person. His character development was very well written.
He was. =) Sad thing was, Spider girl only got something like eight issues.That's not correct. There was Spider-Girl that ran for 100 issues between 1998 and 2006 and then Amazing Spider-Girl run that went for something like 30 issues between 2006 and 2009.
Well, Sweden never got much of the Marvel lines. Anyway, it shows that it's quite possible to have Peter Parker retire.
I always wanted to hit Damian. With a chair. Arrogant little bastard.He was, wasn't he.
The best times with Damian were when the facade cracked and you got to see the kid underneath.
The abused kid, desperate for his father's approval, with no clue about how to earn it. And Bruce with no clue about how to show it either.
Him finally bonding with Dick and even being willing to admit it. Almost.I don't know if I'd say I liked Damian, but there was some really good stuff done with him and he played off the other characters very well.
I don't think he'd have worked well in the long run - he'd need to learn and grow up and I don't think he'd be as interesting that way. Worse if he didn't. Of course they're bringing him back, but I'm just going to pretend that's not real.
Well said. But I disagree that he can't work in the long run. Damian has a very strong personality, and his relationship with both Batman and Dick are very unique.
They made far worse characters last longer... Hal Jordan is the dullest of the dull, and he's still pretty popular, despite the fact that all other 3 human GLs are far more interesting than him.
Well, Sweden never got much of the Marvel lines. Anyway, it shows that it's quite possible to have Peter Parker retire.He was. =) Sad thing was, Spider girl only got something like eight issues.That's not correct. There was Spider-Girl that ran for 100 issues between 1998 and 2006 and then Amazing Spider-Girl run that went for something like 30 issues between 2006 and 2009.If you cripple him. Which is always a possibility.
Or just have him massively out of character. Which is also a possibility. For awhile, retroactively, he'd retired and let his clone take over. Of course, I think that retroactively never really happened.
Eh... I could see an older Peter Parker (in his late 40s,, early 50s) giving up the mantle to a worthy successor but still helping the world in other ways. Peter's been shown to be a very competent scientist and mentor... And now, thanks to Doc Ock he has a pretty successful company too (although that'll probably be erased by Secret Wars -.-')
(BTW, Superior Spider-man was awesome! I really didn't expect to enjoy that storyline...)
Well, discussing the Best Robin...
That was, and always will be Dick Grayson. Hey...he was Batman!
I liked Tim more than Damien overall also.
Damien was just annoying at times, and I never really thought his background really made all that much sense (Kane would be turning in his grave over it).
Edit: I will admit though, for Dick Grayson's Batman, Damien was probably the best Robin for him out there. I can't imagine any other being an effective or good Robin with that Combo EXCEPT Damien.
They made far worse characters last longer... Hal Jordan is the dullest of the dull, and he's still pretty popular, despite the fact that all other 3 human GLs are far more interesting than him.
I'm a huge Hal Jordan fan, at least when it comes to his Silver Age depiction. There's something charming about a guy who wields the greatest weapon in the universe, is pure of heart and well-intentioned, but is still the dumbest idiot the world has ever seen.
My favorite Hal Jordan moments include when he gets jealous that Carol Ferris is in love with his alter ego (despite going out of his way to put the moves on her as Green Lantern) and when he accidentally creates a monster that nearly destroys Coast City as part of a lame-brained attempt to get out of a marriage proposal.
The problem with Damian is that he's a kid and his personality is all about that conflict between his mother's influence and his father's. He couldn't stay in that conflict indefinitely - he has to grow up and resolve it. It really was intense enough he couldn't even really wait to grow up to resolve it.
It's possible he could have become a good character in the long run, but it would have been a very different good character.
I see your point. But he could grow up, resolve that conflict and be his own person while still being influenced by both his parents. While Damian's inner conflict is very interesting by itself, seeing how that conflict affects him in the long run would be just as entertaining (after all, a big part of who we become is cause by our childhoods, even after we outgrow it).
Quite a few stories starring him didn't even mention Bruce or Talia. Damian had a real struggle to become a better person, not just because he wanted Bruce's approval, but because he eventually realized that was the right thing to do.
Damian is also the only Robin to be actively involved with a powerful criminal organization, giving him a rare insight and unique perspective on criminals and super-villains (Well... Jason was a petty criminal, but the character is annoying as hell). And because he was introduced to normal society relatively late in his life, he could see ordinary things in a very different light than most people.
It was fun seeing Damian discovering the world and becoming his own person, often without any direct intervention from his parents. His love for animals and decision to become a vegetarian, for example, weren't caused by his need of approval.
Tim is a great character... But it always felt like he always knew what he'd become. There was never a doubt that he'd be a great detective and whatnot. With Damian, there is a greater sense of adventure and discovery, IMO.
And Dick... Well... Dick is a bit too vanilla...
I'm a huge Hal Jordan fan, at least when it comes to his Silver Age depiction. There's something charming about a guy who wields the greatest weapon in the universe, is pure of heart and well-intentioned, but is still the dumbest idiot the world has ever seen.
My favorite Hal Jordan moments include when he gets jealous that Carol Ferris is in love with his alter ego (despite going out of his way to put the moves on her as Green Lantern) and when he accidentally creates a monster that nearly destroys Coast City as part of a lame-brained attempt to get out of a marriage proposal.
Well... I only read a few Silver Age comics... Not a big fan of them...
Kyle Reynolds is the best "main character GL", IMO... Although I think Guy Gardner is far more entertaining. John Stewart is pretty badass (although I'm biased here... I probably give John more credit than he's due because he was the GL in the old Justice League cartoon, and I freaking love that show! Almost as much as I love Batman TAS!).
They made far worse characters last longer... Hal Jordan is the dullest of the dull, and he's still pretty popular, despite the fact that all other 3 human GLs are far more interesting than him.I'm a huge Hal Jordan fan, at least when it comes to his Silver Age depiction. There's something charming about a guy who wields the greatest weapon in the universe, is pure of heart and well-intentioned, but is still the dumbest idiot the world has ever seen.
My favorite Hal Jordan moments include when he gets jealous that Carol Ferris is in love with his alter ego (despite going out of his way to put the moves on her as Green Lantern) and when he accidentally creates a monster that nearly destroys Coast City as part of a lame-brained attempt to get out of a marriage proposal.
just one of many reasons I hate hal.
John all the way.
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If marvel was smart they would use this opportunity to fully canonize the films and tv universes and have all the marvel stories across all media take place in the same unified world.
That way they could use the comic medium to tell stories involving the characters marvel doesn't have film rights too, and use the fact that those characters can't be in the movies as a "story wedge" to push the way the comics-only characters are handled.
The x-men comics would heavily feature the fact that they are a secret group who take great pains to be unnoticed because they are a very hated social group.
Spiderman would be about a kid juggling his superhero career at night while he still maintains his identity as a student. Taking the character back to his roots the way Ultimate Spiderman did would be a great fit for the cinimatic universe.
The fantastic four could be a "submarine story" about four superpowered astronauts trapped in another dimension. Having them be able to communicate back to the regular world but not interact with it would be a great narrative device.
The Punisher could be used pretty much as-is, but could be reworked as someone who lost his family to the Winter Soldier timeframe Hydra resurgence. Frank Castle's story could be about routing out and killing Hydra agents rather than organized crime. That would give him more of a Jason Bourne, domestic espionage feel that would keep him seperate from the core superhero stories but still connected through a common enemy.
The books about characters that already exist in the movies and tv shows would just elaborate on what we already know and tell the stories of what they do when the big events aren't taking place
The inherent limitations of working with the movie production timelines and not being able to do "epic crossover events" with characters who can't be in films would force writers to take a slower, more character-centric approach to comic books, which is really what the fans enjoy most anyway.
It will never happen, but I can dream.
If marvel was smart they would use this opportunity to fully canonize the films and tv universes and have all the marvel stories across all media take place in the same unified world.
Just....no. Keeping comics continuity straight when they publish several to dozens of titles a month doesn't work. Adding the movies would just make that even worse, not to mention wrest control from the comic book writers more than usual.
As much as I like there being a shared universe, I think the best comics I've read are the ones where the writers didn't have to worry about it.
If marvel was smart they would use this opportunity to fully canonize the films and tv universes and have all the marvel stories across all media take place in the same unified world.
That way they could use the comic medium to tell stories involving the characters marvel doesn't have film rights too, and use the fact that those characters can't be in the movies as a "story wedge" to push the way the comics-only characters are handled.
The x-men comics would heavily feature the fact that they are a secret group who take great pains to be unnoticed because they are a very hated social group.
Spiderman would be about a kid juggling his superhero career at night while he still maintains his identity as a student. Taking the character back to his roots the way Ultimate Spiderman did would be a great fit for the cinimatic universe.
The fantastic four could be a "submarine story" about four superpowered astronauts trapped in another dimension. Having them be able to communicate back to the regular world but not interact with it would be a great narrative device.
The Punisher could be used pretty much as-is, but could be reworked as someone who lost his family to the Winter Soldier timeframe Hydra resurgence. Frank Castle's story could be about routing out and killing Hydra agents rather than organized crime. That would give him more of a Jason Bourne, domestic espionage feel that would keep him seperate from the core superhero stories but still connected through a common enemy.
The books about characters that already exist in the movies and tv shows would just elaborate on what we already know and tell the stories of what they do when the big events aren't taking place
The inherent limitations of working with the movie production timelines and not being able to do "epic crossover events" with characters who can't be in films would force writers to take a slower, more character-centric approach to comic books, which is really what the fans enjoy most anyway.
It will never...
This would be amazing and cool and would never work. You need a central authority organizing the plot and action to keep everything together. The number of people required to keep this organized would be overwhelming.
Daimian is already back I gather, with super-powers on par with Superman apparently
So Batman is now raising a next-gen Superman
Superman raised by Batman...how is that for a nightmare
There was a What IF in which Kal-El was raised by Bruce Wayne's parents.Daimian is already back I gather, with super-powers on par with Superman apparently
So Batman is now raising a next-gen Superman
Superman raised by Batman...how is that for a nightmare
It wasn't very good, though...
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Here is a thought. Why not let these heroes age?
Spiderman was introduced in 1962... 53 years ago. The amazing spiderman should be in his early 70s. We should be reading about his amazing grand children. This way the stories stay fresh without constantly having to alter the universe.Because writing out popular characters due to old age isn't good business. You wouldn't get really cool new generations of characters, you'd get new universe reboots whenever characters started getting to old to fill their roles.
Well, except for Thor. He'd still be around. :)
But you don't have to write them out... they can just pass the title on to a new generation. Heck you could even have specials where the old timers come out of retirement now and then for some epic event.
Wouldn't work. And really nobody would want that. If people REALLY wanted that, then Nightwing would have outsold Batman. They would not be rebooting Batman in the movies, we would get Joseph-Gordon levitt's version of nightwing or Batman.
Bruce Wayne = Batman. The lonely rich kid who saw his parents murdered and trained himself to be the best in the world using his brains and his tech... Not Bruce Wayne the 3rd who follows his granddaddy's footsteps...
Same with Spider-man and Superman and Captain America... The CORE of the charcters personality is iconic backstory attached to the Secret ID, NOT just the costume. ANYONE can where a Batman costume... but it doesn't mean they are 'Batman'.
Comics have teased this idea a few times over the decades. We get replacements, but they don't last. We get brand new characters that are 'like' spider-man or superman... but they don't sell because they are 'just knock-offs.'
If people were REALLY bored reading the main character, then they would stop buying the book. Which happens sometimes. People really seem bored with Wonder Woman... The book goes away for awhile.
Here's why I consider the idea hypocritical to 'age' the characters...
It USUALLY means people want to start aging them from when THEY started reading them. By that notion... unless you're in your 80's you would have NEVER seen Batman. NOR would you have seen Dick Grayson... We would be on our 6th generation of Batman... at which point 'Batman' is worthless.
The Phantom 'Ghost that walks' was a generational series... never reached the heights that these other guys do.