Hey everyone,
I have a other question.
What benefit does masterwork leather armor have?
Hey everyone,
I have a other question.
What benefit does masterwork leather armor have?
After looking at leather armor I see your point. It really does nothing for you at all.
um...it adds AC, its costs near to nothing (minus masterwork costs of course), and it looks great!
um...it adds AC, its costs near to nothing (minus masterwork costs of course), and it looks great!
AC bonus? It doesn't give a AC bonus does it?
um...it adds AC, its costs near to nothing (minus masterwork costs of course), and it looks great!AC bonus? It doesn't give a AC bonus does it?
No it doesn't. I think Rogier was trying to be funny.
Masterwork Leather has two distinct advantages, one is crunch and the other is fluff.
Crunch - if you want you're armor to be magical someday, it's gonna need to be of Masterwork quality
Fluff - isn't it frikken awesome when your Ranger skins the giant wyvern and makes armor from his hide? You can craft metal armor, sure. But it's not the same as knowing your armor was made by you, from a creature you vanquished.
Doesn't masterwork studed leather better in all ways than a +1 leather armor for the price. There is if you find masterwork studed leather on soemeone I would just sell it. From an optimization standpoint a mithral shirt is better in every way including price weigth armor bonus same armor check penalty as a +1 leather armor okay is that really an advantage? and you can enchant the mithral shirt as it is masterwork quality. The only thing the two have in common is they have the same arcane spell failure chance.
Doesn't masterwork studed leather better in all ways than a +1 leather armor for the price. There is if you find masterwork studed leather on soemeone I would just sell it. From an optimization standpoint a mithral shirt is better in every way including price weigth armor bonus same armor check penalty as a +1 leather armor okay is that really an advantage? and you can enchant the mithral shirt as it is masterwork quality. The only thing the two have in common is they have the same arcane spell failure chance.
Leather is always better than Studded Leather (or Brigandine, as I like to call it) if you have A.) low STR and B.) crazy-retarded high DEX.
Doesn't masterwork studed leather better in all ways than a +1 leather armor for the price. There is if you find masterwork studed leather on soemeone I would just sell it. From an optimization standpoint a mithral shirt is better in every way including price weigth armor bonus same armor check penalty as a +1 leather armor okay is that really an advantage? and you can enchant the mithral shirt as it is masterwork quality. The only thing the two have in common is they have the same arcane spell failure chance.Leather is always better than Studded Leather (or Brigandine, as I like to call it) if you have A.) low STR and B.) crazy-retarded high DEX.
Actaully a mithral shirt is still a lower price than a +1 leather armor has a better armor bonus. Weighs less than +1 leather armor same arcane spell failure same max dex bonus of +6 both have no armor check penalty And the +1 leather armor costs more by 60 gold pieces. and you get a better armor bonus. The two things the +1 leather armor has is less hardness only seven when +1 but they both have 20 hit points. Also its hard to screw with the mithral shirt with 15 hardness. At these low level where you have nonmagical armor how do you get dex to 22 where you take the penalty for max ac. I understand studed leather does way more but the mithral shirt ways so little.
I understand some GMs might not let you buy mithral chain shirt but it is superior to +1 leather armor.
I understand some GMs might not let you buy mithral chain shirt but it is superior to +1 leather armor.
Not if you're a druid. :)
on another note, if you put a wizard in leather armor without the proficency, whats the draw back?
on another note, if you put a wizard in leather armor without the proficency, whats the draw back?
Arcane Spell Failure
ya but thats only 5 percent and thats the same for someone with the proficiency
Yep, 0 ACP means nonproficiency has no drawback.on another note, if you put a wizard in leather armor without the proficency, whats the draw back?Arcane Spell Failure
Same reason sorcerers and wizards buy Mithral bucklers as soon as they can. 0 ACP, 0 Arcane Failure, +Shield bonus.
Same reason sorcerers and wizards buy Mithral bucklers as soon as they can. 0 ACP, 0 Arcane Failure, +Shield bonus.Yep, 0 ACP means nonproficiency has no drawback.on another note, if you put a wizard in leather armor without the proficency, whats the draw back?Arcane Spell Failure
Seems loop holey (even thou we've used it before)
Seems loop holey (even thou we've used it before)Same reason sorcerers and wizards buy Mithral bucklers as soon as they can. 0 ACP, 0 Arcane Failure, +Shield bonus.Yep, 0 ACP means nonproficiency has no drawback.on another note, if you put a wizard in leather armor without the proficency, whats the draw back?Arcane Spell Failure
Oh, I agree, it's a bit cheesy...
On the other hand, it's not usable by certain classes. Monk for example, they get penalties for wearing armor, not light armor, any armor.
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Seems loop holey (even thou we've used it before)Same reason sorcerers and wizards buy Mithral bucklers as soon as they can. 0 ACP, 0 Arcane Failure, +Shield bonus.Yep, 0 ACP means nonproficiency has no drawback.on another note, if you put a wizard in leather armor without the proficency, whats the draw back?Arcane Spell Failure
Leather armor would still have a 10% spell failure chance. The only benefit of MW a leather armor is to get....well spiffy looking armor. I think some are confusing MW effects with Mithral effects.
5, 10, whatever it's still incredibly low and is the same whether you have the proficiency or not.
5, 10, whatever it's still incredibly low and is the same whether you have the proficiency or not.
Maybe for yourself it is low, but you’d be surprised how often 10% will come up. Someone who has played an arcane caster more than once, I have never worn any kind of item that gives me a percentage chance for spell failure. That is my lifeblood and what I do, I am not going to wear something to risk me failing 1 out of 10 times if I can help it.
5, 10, whatever it's still incredibly low and is the same whether you have the proficiency or not.Maybe for yourself it is low, but you’d be surprised how often 10% will come up. Someone who has played an arcane caster more than once, I have never worn any kind of item that gives me a percentage chance for spell failure. That is my lifeblood and what I do, I am not going to wear something to risk me failing 1 out of 10 times if I can help it.
In our gaming experience spells get lost all the time, AoOs, failed spell craft checks etc.
At low level some leather armor can greatly increase a wizards survivability especially when you are out of spells and using a longbow as your back up.
Well yes, you can lose spells in those other instances you listed, as well. However, this is just another a factor added to the pile, and one that easily be avoided or not even necessary (in wearing armor).
Yes, you can run out of spells and become more combat oriented, but just like flinging spells, I think a low level Wizard/Sorcerer that puts himself in a situation where he gets attacked is a dead caster, or at least an extremely hurt one.
I guess it just depends on your play style. As a caster, I have usually been pretty good about keeping myself out of the way of melee/ranged attacks. Also, usually the times that a Wizard/Sorcerer is going to resort to bow attacks, the foes will concentrate more on more dangerous melee and other ranged attackers.
Not if you're a druid. :)I understand some GMs might not let you buy mithral chain shirt but it is superior to +1 leather armor.
That is the one exception and it is obvious. The other main drawback is if the Gm spams heat and chill metal or rust monsters.
"Boy, Study that mound of flowers over there... the one with the bright shiny tulips? That's the mark of a failure, hiding behind some delusions of grandeur and an overlarge ego, a failure who does not truly live.
It makes your coin pouch 3 pounds lighter! ;)
The benefit is that it can be enchanted.
I agree. Better than normal leather, plus I believe the max dex bonus is increased, right?
My Old LG wizard had a twilight mithril chain shirt she wore under her robes. saved me from quite a few hits, and there's something to be said for protection that can't be dispelled.
by RAW mage armor also protects against blightburn since it is a force effect. I doubt this was intended but it is funny. And I know blightburn comes back from the 3.5 days of pathfinder but it still exists in golarion.
Mage Armor still kicks butt over leather armor and offers protection against touch attacks which go right through it.
Mage Armor protects against incorporeal touch attacks, not regular touch attacks or ranged touch attacks like Inflict Light Wounds or Scorching Ray.
Dont forget the RP aspect. I saw it in this thread in passing.
If a NPC sees people in armor that looks 'special' or of high quality, they have a better chance of passing themselves off as someone with importance vs some rag tag adventurer. We've had cities that have divisions by wealth / class, PCs in the upper end who looked like they didn't belonged there got harassed by guards.
Its 100% GM dependent, but it does play a bit into our games.
ya but thats only 5 percent and thats the same for someone with the proficiency
Getting +2 to your AC (over getting bracers of armour) really sucks compared to losing every 10th spell you cast (going with the actual failure chance of 10%). That spell can be an important one. And it's statistical every 10th spell. Murphy's Law dictate that it happens more often than that, especially if we're talking about important spells.
I'd rather get mage armour and cast away!
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Dont forget the RP aspect. I saw it in this thread in passing.
If a NPC sees people in armor that looks 'special' or of high quality, they have a better chance of passing themselves off as someone with importance vs some rag tag adventurer. We've had cities that have divisions by wealth / class, PCs in the upper end who looked like they didn't belonged there got harassed by guards.
Its 100% GM dependent, but it does play a bit into our games.
Other RP aspect I can think of, it makes the wizard look less of a spell tosser in the initial observation. Coming from the Shadowrun philosphy, 'geek the mage first' rule, it can be a life saver in the initial surprise round of an ambush.
But that reason isn't really presenting much of why masterwork leather, on the RP front other than what Spahrep mentioned. Maybe one wants to wear something nicer when presented in front of the local magistrate/noble/etc? Part of the ensemble to not have it look out of place with an upscale outfit?