Combining Hospitaler & Sacred Servant archetypes legal?


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Really curious on whether Hospitaler and Sacred Servant can be combined. The only things that they overlap or both replace is Smite Evil which they both change it to the SAME thing

Sacred Servant -
Smite Evil (Su): This functions as the paladin ability, but the sacred servant can smite evil one additional time per day at 7th level, and every six levels thereafter (instead of 4th level and every three levels thereafter). This replaces smite evil.

Hospitaler -
Smite Evil (Su): This functions as the paladin ability, but the hospitaler can smite evil one additional time per day at 7th level, and every six levels thereafter (instead of 4th level and every three levels thereafter).

Since they don't alter anything else and since what both of them change is to the EXACT same thing. Can these two archetypes be combined?

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No, as the rule is that anything that even alters the same ability cannot be combined. It doesn't matter that they change it to the same thing.

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It's very unfortunate then, as you'd think if they both altered it to the same thing it would be an exception. So much for my thought on a Positive Channeling focused Paladin (Sacred Servant would have offset the reduced channel dice from Hospitaler, while Hospitaler would have provided channels per day without having to burn precious Lay on Hands for them.) :(

Both archetypes still give up features of Paladin so the combination isn't broken by any means. Just would have been a fun combo.

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In both cases, the archetype reduces the effects of Smite Evil, weakening it. In each case, the archetype then enjoys other benefits as compensation. It seems that you want to apply that reduction once but enjoy both of the compensatory powers.

(And I'm suggesting that we move this out of the PFS forums.)

Sczarni

The two archetypes cannot be combined, because they alter the same class feature.

But I flagged the OP to be moved to the Rules Questions forum so it can garner further discussion.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

In both cases, the archetype reduces the effects of Smite Evil, weakening it. In each case, the archetype then enjoys other benefits as compensation. It seems that you want to apply that reduction once but enjoy both of the compensatory powers.

(And I'm suggesting that we move this out of the PFS forums.)

This is a question in regards to PFS ruling specifically. I do not think this should be moved elsewhere.

I do see what you mean about enjoying two benefits with the reduction of one. Your point stands.

Sczarni

River Shadowhand wrote:
This is a question in regards to PFS ruling specifically. I do not think this should be moved elsewhere.

Your response represents a very common misunderstanding, so don't take it personally.

Your question is a general PFRPG rules question about combining two archetypes. There is nothing PFS-specific about it. Hence, it will get moved to the Rules Questions forum (eventually) so that it may most appropriately garner the discussion it deserves. Moving it out of this forum is a good thing.

This forum is for discussing topics concerning the PFS campaign and rules questions that could not be asked anywhere else regarding it. Questions about Factions, Prestige, Scenarios, Chronicle Sheets, and those sorts of things belong here. Rules questions regarding the PFRPG belong in the Rules Questions forum.

Just as an FYI, going forward.


PFS does have some funny house rules on a lot of things (buying gear, prestige points, experience points, chronicle boons, other boons, allowred resources, and animal companions top the list) but there is no super official rules database or anything.

RAW they both replace smite evil. So its a no.

RAI they weakened smite evil to buy other stuff. You don't get to double dip that for twice the goodies. You can't buy a snickers for a dollar and then insist that that same dollar should also get you a twizzler.

Sczarni

Solution: Twizzlickers!


Absolutely not PFS legal. Also not RAW. In a home game a GM might allow it, but I would suggest stacking the penalties to smite.

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River Shadowhand wrote:
This is a question in regards to PFS ruling specifically. I do not think this should be moved elsewhere.

Not PFS specific. They both alter, change, add, remove, enhance, or nerf the same ability and as such don't stack.

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