The Starstone before it was lifted


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So since the Starstone spent about 5300 years underwater, how come all of the deity fish from that period of time are never spoken of?


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Aroden ate them all. (Cause of death: bad sashimi.)


In the 4000 or so years that have passed since Aroden lifted the starstone out of the water, only 3 mortals managed to pass.

Perhaps the fish people weren't up to the task.

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Claxon wrote:

In the 4000 or so years that have passed since Aroden lifted the starstone out of the water, only 3 mortals managed to pass.

Perhaps the fish people weren't up to the task.

Yep, before he raised it out of the ocean, that whole stretch of water was one big dead zone. :)


LazarX wrote:
Claxon wrote:

In the 4000 or so years that have passed since Aroden lifted the starstone out of the water, only 3 mortals managed to pass.

Perhaps the fish people weren't up to the task.

Yep, before he raised it out of the ocean, that whole stretch of water was one big dead zone. :)

I remember it saying that only three were known to pass, as though others may have but were unknown to have.


Now I want to make a cleric of the Great Grouper


I don't think people were keeping very good records back then. You may find that {insert deity} turns out to be a divine sahuagin in disguise, biding his time. Or part of Aroden's task to prove divinity was to bump off the Aboleth deity that found it first.

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felinoel wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Claxon wrote:

In the 4000 or so years that have passed since Aroden lifted the starstone out of the water, only 3 mortals managed to pass.

Perhaps the fish people weren't up to the task.

Yep, before he raised it out of the ocean, that whole stretch of water was one big dead zone. :)
I remember it saying that only three were known to pass, as though others may have but were unknown to have.

The cathedral is full of shrines to the Lost.

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felinoel wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Claxon wrote:

In the 4000 or so years that have passed since Aroden lifted the starstone out of the water, only 3 mortals managed to pass.

Perhaps the fish people weren't up to the task.

Yep, before he raised it out of the ocean, that whole stretch of water was one big dead zone. :)
I remember it saying that only three were known to pass, as though others may have but were unknown to have.

This is in the big wooly character of stuff that the GM can tinker with for his home game. For myself I don't consider these questions a big deal unless I'm incorporating the answer into the story I'm going to set up.


Easy answer: The aboleth are crazy, they stay the heck away from the Starstone because they're crazy and never let the sauhaugin or the Krakens near it because reasons. Or Fishgod alpha was so crazy no one could get near the thing.

Real answer: no one cares about a dang Fishgod, no market to write it up.

Dagon actually makes a pretty good aboleth-gone-god. He got banished to timeless space by Aroden and ended up becoming a demon-whatever a hojillion years ago because time don't work right in the far realms.


The Starstone is the remnant of the massive meteor the aboleths called to Golarion to destroy the Azlanti, mixed with the divine essence of the gods who tried to stop it. As the aboleth are atheistic, likely they saw no reason to visit the grave of some puny mortal "gods". Any reports brought to them by their gillman slaves of wondrous events near the impact site would be dismissed as mere superstition.


Dorcus wrote:

Real answer: no one cares about a dang Fishgod, no market to write it up.

Dagon actually makes a pretty good aboleth-gone-god. He got banished to timeless space by Aroden and ended up becoming a demon-whatever a hojillion years ago because time don't work right in the far realms.

Cthulhu might be another Aboleth example...


Thanis Kartaleon wrote:
The Starstone is the remnant of the massive meteor the aboleths called to Golarion to destroy the Azlanti, mixed with the divine essence of the gods who tried to stop it. As the aboleth are atheistic, likely they saw no reason to visit the grave of some puny mortal "gods". Any reports brought to them by their gillman slaves of wondrous events near the impact site would be dismissed as mere superstition.

This is true, but it implies NONE of the other hojillion intelligent undersea races every strolled around that part of the ocean, which carries problems which are rather similar to the original question.


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From the write up on the Starstone, it itself does not raise you to godhood. It's is a way to gain the attention of the gods, though, who then vote you in or out of the god club. That's essentially what the test does.


Possibly. Thing is, there were two gods who tried to stop it. The essence given out is three divinities so far. Or, of course, it could have been only two, with Iomedae inheriting Aroden's power and just doing the Starstone test as a PR stunt.


Sissyl wrote:
Possibly. Thing is, there were two gods who tried to stop it. The essence given out is three divinities so far. Or, of course, it could have been only two, with Iomedae inheriting Aroden's power and just doing the Starstone test as a PR stunt.

Iomedae completed the test of the Starstone nearly 800 years before Aroden died.

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Thanis Kartaleon wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Possibly. Thing is, there were two gods who tried to stop it. The essence given out is three divinities so far. Or, of course, it could have been only two, with Iomedae inheriting Aroden's power and just doing the Starstone test as a PR stunt.
Iomedae completed the test of the Starstone nearly 800 years before Aroden died.

Do gods perceive time linearly?

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Senko wrote:
Thanis Kartaleon wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Possibly. Thing is, there were two gods who tried to stop it. The essence given out is three divinities so far. Or, of course, it could have been only two, with Iomedae inheriting Aroden's power and just doing the Starstone test as a PR stunt.
Iomedae completed the test of the Starstone nearly 800 years before Aroden died.
Do gods perceive time linearly?

For the purposes of story, apparantly they do, at least most of them.


Dorcus wrote:

Easy answer: The aboleth are crazy, they stay the heck away from the Starstone because they're crazy and never let the sauhaugin or the Krakens near it because reasons. Or Fishgod alpha was so crazy no one could get near the thing.

Real answer: no one cares about a dang Fishgod, no market to write it up.

Dagon actually makes a pretty good aboleth-gone-god. He got banished to timeless space by Aroden and ended up becoming a demon-whatever a hojillion years ago because time don't work right in the far realms.

Actually I think this may be a case of the Aboleth's being horribly, terribly sane. Its the land apes that go and poke the nearly world ending artifact with a stick. If you simply assume the Aboleth's set up a containment area and brokered a deal with a couple other major undersea powers to not touch the radioactive waste site everything makes sense.


Thanis Kartaleon wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Possibly. Thing is, there were two gods who tried to stop it. The essence given out is three divinities so far. Or, of course, it could have been only two, with Iomedae inheriting Aroden's power and just doing the Starstone test as a PR stunt.
Iomedae completed the test of the Starstone nearly 800 years before Aroden died.

Blah blah blah. :-) So, we are left with Norgorber and his unknown date of ascension? After all, everyone just assumes that was the starstone... Why?


Mostly since the setting info tells us so, admittedly it would not be the first time an RPG used intentionally unreliable information in a setting product.


Sissyl wrote:
Blah blah blah. :-) So, we are left with Norgorber and his unknown date of ascension? After all, everyone just assumes that was the starstone... Why?

That happened in 1893 AR. ;)

http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/1893_AR


:-) So, all in all, the starstone handed out at least one extra divinity.

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Sissyl wrote:
:-) So, all in all, the starstone handed out at least one extra divinity.

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felinoel wrote:
So since the Starstone spent about 5300 years underwater, how come all of the deity fish from that period of time are never spoken of?

So that's how the gods of the Cerulean Seas campaign setting came to be.


A giant fish god seems like a good kaiju origin or maybe that is where the thalassic behemoths actually came from......


Uwotm8 wrote:
From the write up on the Starstone, it itself does not raise you to godhood. It's is a way to gain the attention of the gods, though, who then vote you in or out of the god club. That's essentially what the test does.

Probably my most hated aspect of the retcon. Fairly sure it was only put there to explain Mythic Power and then it was all "Oh crap! We forgot we already wrote this!"... Just what it seems like to me.

Tend to thoroughly ignore that the few times I decide to run in Golarion.


Guys, Aroden was a fish. Gah...

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felinoel wrote:
So since the Starstone spent about 5300 years underwater, how come all of the deity fish from that period of time are never spoken of?

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Dave Justus wrote:
Now I want to make a cleric of the Great Grouper

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Not to stoke the flames too much, but...

In Dungeon 92 some guy named James Jacobs wrote an adventure for 20th Level PCs called "The Razing of Redshore" in which an epic-awesome Whale, Awakened and quite intelligent & powerful (a Druid-thing really), was the crux of the adventure.

So if Jacobs liked the idea of a god-like fish a dozen years ago enough to write the then-highest level adventure ever published by the magazine,...

Who's to say he won't do it again?

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On whether or not there are any "deity fish"--
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James Jacobs wrote:


No.

Part of what made the Starstone Cathedral and the Starstone itself capable of doing what it does is the interaction of magic that resulted when Aroden raised it and the Isle of Kortos from the sea floor. It didn't "activate" until that happened. Until then, it was, essentially, dormant. Powerful magic to be sure, and it could well have caused some nearby denizens of the Darklands or the sea or wherever to perhaps gain the Advanced template or some other boost... but it didn't gain the power to ascend mortals until after it was raised.

There are plenty of other ways for adventures like "Razing of Redshore" to activate, though. And good times! Haven't thought of that adventure for a while!
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Note that I did not say there are no deity fish.

Only that the starstone didn't do what it does in its current state until it was raised up.

Obviously, with "Razing of Redshore" as proof, I'm pretty okay with super-powerful aquatic things. Like Moby Druid.

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