Are Siege Weapons considered "weapons" for the purpose of this contest?


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Just, y'know, in case...

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Hmm. There are a couple of unique siege engines in Golarion lore. I don't see why that couldn't be an entry.

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I'd guess "no" but you may get a more nuanced response of "Do you see any siege weapons in the CRB?" from Owen or someone official or some such...

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They are weapons, so I think the judges would be hard-pressed to call it grounds for disqualification or anything like that. But on the other hand, would many people really get excited about a unique siege weapon? It's not something PCs are going to want to invest in, usually.

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Lucus Palosaari wrote:
I'd guess "no" but you may get a more nuanced response of "Do you see any siege weapons in the CRB?" from Owen or someone official or some such...

I even looked through the art of the CRB and every castle and boat are conspicuously siege-weapon absent. Especially the port image of Absalom, which has been under siege many many times.

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I'm not sure, but I sure hope so. If I saw two otherwise equally interesting unique weapons, I'd be hard-pressed not to go with a unique magical catapult.

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So we certainly have not stated that you are restricted to weapons from the CRB - making your magic weapon be a katana or be de corbin is clearly fair game.

The tricky thing about siege engines is that the rules section describing them are titles "siege engines" rather than siege weapons. In fact, the term "siege weapon" is uncommon, though not nonexistent, within the rules.

However, the siege engine rules outright state (under "proficiency") that "Siege engines are exotic weapons."

I don't have an official opinion of the wisdom of submitting a magic siege engine, but it is within the scope of the contest's rules.

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RainyDayNinja wrote:
They are weapons, so I think the judges would be hard-pressed to call it grounds for disqualification or anything like that. But on the other hand, would many people really get excited about a unique siege weapon? It's not something PCs are going to want to invest in, usually.

This is my feeling as well (and glad to see Owen confirm they're in the scope of the rules). I thought about writing one up, but I think it's going to have to be EXTRA superstar considering most PCs aren't usually going to be hauling one around with them on their adventures. (Of course, you could do a shrinking siege engine that does let you haul it around...)

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Agreed with Jacob. I think it might not make it far because it is very niche, but if done well- it could be pretty outstanding!

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


So we certainly have not stated that you are restricted to weapons from the CRB - making your magic weapon be a katana or be de corbin is clearly fair game.

The tricky thing about siege engines is that the rules section describing them are titles "siege engines" rather than siege weapons. In fact, the term "siege weapon" is uncommon, though not nonexistent, within the rules.

However, the siege engine rules outright state (under "proficiency") that "Siege engines are exotic weapons."

I don't have an official opinion of the wisdom of submitting a magic siege engine, but it is within the scope of the contest's rules.

I'm not promising that would be anyone's final submission, but a well balanced, well detailed magical siege engine could be pretty world changing. In Kingmaker if the PC's had access to a siege engine that was more powerful than their rival's, that would act as a wonderful deterrent for attacking the fledgling kingdom. On the opposite side if the Inner Sea superpowers (Cheliax, Taldor, Osirion or Molthune) had such a weapon it would change the face of war.

My original idea boiled down to a SIAC, then I saw Mark's tip about "think like an author." At the very least I'll play around with the idea, and default to my SIAC if no further inspiration arrives.

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


So we certainly have not stated that you are restricted to weapons from the CRB - making your magic weapon be a katana or be de corbin is clearly fair game.

The tricky thing about siege engines is that the rules section describing them are titles "siege engines" rather than siege weapons. In fact, the term "siege weapon" is uncommon, though not nonexistent, within the rules.

However, the siege engine rules outright state (under "proficiency") that "Siege engines are exotic weapons."

I don't have an official opinion of the wisdom of submitting a magic siege engine, but it is within the scope of the contest's rules.

Ahh yes, this is exactly the kind of response I expected when I wrote "or some such..." :D

And I mean that in the nicest way possible Owen. I figure you mean to try not to limit us too much, because if its cool enough then :)

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Lucus Palosaari wrote:
And I mean that in the nicest way possible Owen. I figure you mean to try not to limit us too much, because if its cool enough then :)

It is absolutely true that I don't want to tell people what is a good idea, just what the rules clearly already say is allowed.

If someone came up with a spell-in-a-can swiss army knife with a few format errors the price of which was a bit off that focused on how it was preferred by aboleths for use in creating weird circumstances, and it was AWESOME, it might still be Superstar material. So I don't want to say anything suggesting we'd bounce it.

But I wouldn't recommend it, either.

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Heh. So of course after this thread I get an idea I like for a siege engine entry. But it'd have to be awesomer-er before I thought about submitting it. The category really would be like fighting uphill.

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Clouds Without Water wrote:
The category really would be like fighting uphill.

Hm... The catapult of the uphill battle has a certain ring to it.

By the way, don't talk about items you might actually submit. All entries have to be anonymous. If you post remarks on the boards that make it obvious which item is yours, you could be disqualified.

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Eric Morton wrote:
Clouds Without Water wrote:
The category really would be like fighting uphill.

Hm... The catapult of the uphill battle has a certain ring to it.

By the way, don't talk about items you might actually submit. All entries have to be anonymous. If you post remarks on the boards that make it obvious which item is yours, you could be disqualified.

In the same way, don't post "I just submitted" or similar after you have, it narrows down the time of your item and might inadvertently identify it - it's not worth the risk.

One you hit submit, practice being able to keep to an NDA - because you will at some point in a designer career need to do just that.


The way I see it, some siege engines are just the sort of weapon you'd use against really BIG, SLOW monsters. I remember using them for just that sort of thing in a PFS Convention Special...

How about a Ballista Bolt in the eye? Not so Colossal now, are ya?

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Now I kind of want to see a siege engine designed for use by Tiny creatures that also can be wielded as a regular weapon by Medium creatures. Like some sort of fae cannon/single-shot firearm.

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