Can Wild Child Brawler be combined with Snakebite Striker Brawler?

[Eigengrau]

Like the title says, Can Wild Child Brawler be combined with Snakebite Striker Brawler?

[Captain Zoom]

Eigengrau wrote:

Like the title says, Can Wild Child Brawler be combined with Snakebite Striker Brawler?

Per the PRD: "A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the base class as the other alternate feature."

Snake Feint and Opportunist from Snakebite Striker replaces Maneuver Training gained at levels 3,7,11,19.

Maneuver Training from Wild Child alters Maneuver Training.

[Secret Wizard]

They cannot.

[Kazaan]

Normally, replacing, say, a part of a benefit gained at a certain level, is considered separate from the ability as a whole. For instance, if one archetype replaced a Fighter's Bonus Feat gained at 1st level and another archetype replaced a Fighter's Bonus Feat gained at 2nd level, these stack together fine. Another example is adding options. If one archetype adds to your list of bonus feats, and another archetype replaces the bonus feat gained at lvl 2, those don't contradict. But Snakebite striker, though it replaces maneuvers gained at specific levels, ends up replacing all the maneuvers so, effectively, it is trading out the whole ability, just in bits and pieces. If it had left just one level of Maneuver Training for you, then you could combine the archetypes but, as it stands, they don't combine.

[burkoJames]

Interesting. In other threads on this, it was said that because Wild child does not say it alters Maneuver Training, it doesn't count as altering that class feature for another class feature.

[claudekennilol]

This belongs in the rules forum. Flagging so it can get there.

[Master of the Dark Triad]

claudekennilol wrote:

This belongs in the rules forum. Flagging so it can get there.

Same. You'll get more help there.

[blackbloodtroll]

They both alter skills.

[burkoJames]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

They both alter skills.

But normally they will, even when the modification is obvious a statement, that it alters that feature.

EDIT: I was thinking of the wrong archetype....

[Shar Tahl]

Maneuver Training (Ex): Whenever the wild child chooses a new maneuver for this ability, his animal companion also learns a trick to make use of this combat maneuver. For example, if the wild child chooses maneuver training (dirty trick), his animal companion also learns a trick that allows it to use the dirty trick combat maneuver. He cannot choose any tricks that rely on ranged attacks. This bonus trick doesn't count against the animal companion's total tricks known and does not take any time or checks to train. Should the wild child gain a new animal companion (such as if the previous one dies), this new animal companion begins with the same number of bonus tricks. This ability alters maneuver training.

Per the PRD: "A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature from the base class as the other alternate feature."

RAW, No.

Would it be game-breaking to house rule it, doesn't look like it at first glance

[blahpers]

burkoJames wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

They both alter skills.

But normally they will, even when the modification is obvious a statement, that it alters that feature.

They don't usually add that line when modifying class skills--probably because it's rather obvious in that case.

[blackbloodtroll]

Are you saying they don't both alter skills, even though they both do, but because they don't have a "this alters skills" line, they don't actually count as altering skills?

[burkoJames]

Dammit, i was reading his entry as the Wild Path renegade, not the Wild child. I'm an idiot.

[burkoJames]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Are you saying they don't both alter skills, even though they both do, but because they don't have a "this alters skills" line, they don't actually count as altering skills?

I am. But it doesn't apply to this specific set, because they both do.

[Eigengrau]

I want to thank everyone for their input so far. I was wasting my day away thinking of a build, and I believe I really did waste the day on it too. I wanted to combine Wild Child and Snakebite Striker to get the +1d6 sneak attack and still not lose an effective Druid animal companion level in the build. Oh and I was using Boon Companion as well, all in all I was trying to stay even on the 13th level build with effective Druid levels but will have to settle for 12 out of 13 on it.

Thanks again