Horn of the Criosphinx & Agile Elven Curve Blade


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Is there anything about this combination that wouldn't work?

Horn of the Criosphinx wrote:
Benefit: Whenever you make a successful charge attack while wielding a two-handed weapon in both hands, add two times your Strength bonus to the damage roll.
Agile wrote:
Agile weapons are unusually well balanced and responsive. A wielder with the Weapon Finesse feat can choose to apply her Dexterity modifier to damage rolls with the weapon in place of her Strength modifier. This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons, but is still reduced for off-hand weapons. The agile weapon enhancement can only be placed on melee weapons that are usable with the Weapon Finesse feat.

Getting Dex bonus to Damage plus 2x Str bonus to damage on a charge seems like a fun time to me.


you choose one or the other with agile, either STR x 2 or DEX x 1.

can choose to apply her Dexterity modifier to damage rolls with the weapon in place of her Strength modifier


The Horn of the Criosphinx bonus replaces your normal damage bonus (eg 1.5 strength). It isn't an addition to your normal damage bonus. I wouldn't allow it.


There are no two handed weapons which are usable with the weapon finesse feat ergo the two do not interact.


Elven curve blade is a two-handed weapon usable with weapon finesse.

EDIT- For that matter, the Aldori Dueling Sword is an exotic finessable longsword, and the PrC based on it gets you 1.5 Dex to damage when two-handing it.

Grand Lodge

BobtheSamurai wrote:

Elven curve blade is a two-handed weapon usable with weapon finesse.

EDIT- For that matter, the Aldori Dueling Sword is an exotic finessable longsword, and the PrC based on it gets you 1.5 Dex to damage when two-handing it.

No, the Aldori Swordlord PrC says you don't get 1.5 Dex when two-handing.


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Trekkie90909 wrote:
There are no two handed weapons which are usable with the weapon finesse feat ergo the two do not interact.
Inner Sea World Guide wrote:
Bladed Scarf: Knowing that seductive performances can bring out the worst in watchers, some Varisians craft rows of razor-sharp blades into their scarves. The skill required in using such scarves effectively and not revealing their deadly nature makes them exotic weapons. If you are proficient with a bladed scarf, you deal 1d4 points of slashing damage to any creature that makes a successful grapple check against you while you wield the scarf. You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls with a bladed scarf sized for you, even though it isn’t a light weapon.
Ultimate Equipment wrote:

ELVEN CURVE BLADE

Price 80 gp
Type exotic
Essentially a longer version of a scimitar, but with a thinner blade, the elven curve blade is exceptionally rare. You receive a +2 circumstance bonus to your CMD whenever a foe attempts to sunder your elven curve blade because of its flexible metal.
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls with an elven curve blade that is sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.
Ultimate Equipment wrote:

SPIKED CHAIN

Price 25 gp
Type exotic
A spiked chain is about 4 feet in length and covered in wicked barbs. Some have metal hoops to use as handgrips. You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a spiked chain sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.

Sczarni

Jeff Merola wrote:
BobtheSamurai wrote:

Elven curve blade is a two-handed weapon usable with weapon finesse.

EDIT- For that matter, the Aldori Dueling Sword is an exotic finessable longsword, and the PrC based on it gets you 1.5 Dex to damage when two-handing it.

No, the Aldori Swordlord PrC says you don't get 1.5 Dex when two-handing.

What? No it doesn't.

"These slightly curved swords measure just over 3 feet in length. An Aldori Dueling Sword may be used as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions as a longsword), but if you have the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Aldori dueling sword), you can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls with an Aldori dueling sword sized for you, even though it isn’t a light weapon. You can also wield an Aldori dueling sword in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage."

Nowhere does it say "You don't get 1.5 Dex when two-handing."

Anyways.

"Essentially a longer version of a scimitar, but with a thinner blade, the elven curve blade is exceptionally rare. You receive a +2 circumstance bonus to your CMD whenever a foe attempts to sunder your Elven Curve Blade because of its flexible metal.

You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls with an elven curve blade that is sized for you, even though it isn’t a light weapon."

The problem seems to be that none of these give you Dex for damage naturally. So we have to do that through the Agile enchantment.

"Agile weapons are unusually well balanced and responsive. A wielder with the Weapon Finesse feat can choose to apply her Dexterity modifier to damage rolls with the weapon in place of her Strength modifier. This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons, but is still reduced for off-hand weapons. The agile weapon enhancement can only be placed on melee weapons that are usable with the Weapon Finesse feat."

So, through Agile, we cannot gain the 1.5 damage bonus from wielding it 2 handed. Interestingly enough, it states "This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons"... but it fails to mention a one-handed weapon being used with two hands. This leads me to believe that the Aldori Dueling Sword, a One-Handed weapon, if wielded with Both Hands; Would gain 1.5x DEX damage.

Now, if we are wielding a 2 handed and using Power Attack, we still gain the bonus damage to PA -> -1 Attack for +3 damage for every 4 BAB.

As much as I'd LOVE for Agile and wielding 2H for 1.5 to work together, it seems that it does not. It wouldn't make much sense anyways, outside of RAW logic.

Grand Lodge

Kazumetsa Raijin wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
BobtheSamurai wrote:

Elven curve blade is a two-handed weapon usable with weapon finesse.

EDIT- For that matter, the Aldori Dueling Sword is an exotic finessable longsword, and the PrC based on it gets you 1.5 Dex to damage when two-handing it.

No, the Aldori Swordlord PrC says you don't get 1.5 Dex when two-handing.

What? No it doesn't.

"These slightly curved swords measure just over 3 feet in length. An Aldori Dueling Sword may be used as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions as a longsword), but if you have the feat Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Aldori dueling sword), you can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls with an Aldori dueling sword sized for you, even though it isn’t a light weapon. You can also wield an Aldori dueling sword in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage."

You're quoting the text of the Aldori Dueling Sword, not the Aldori Swordlord PrC which was being discussed.

Quote:
Deft Strike (Ex): An Aldori swordlord can add his Dexterity bonus (if any) on damage rolls made with an Aldori dueling sword instead of his Strength bonus. This bonus on damage rolls applies whether the swordlord is wielding an Aldori dueling sword one-handed or twohanded, though the swordlord does not apply 1-1/2 times his Dexterity bonus on damage rolls while fighting twohanded. An Aldori swordlord cannot use this ability if he is wielding a shield or an off-hand weapon, including armor spikes, unarmed strikes, or natural weapons.

Sczarni

Aahh. Thank you.


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It doesn't matter anyhow. The small damage bump on a charge isn't worth a feat and the point buy required to keep Str up anyhow.

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