Destiny: $500 million and it STILL can't touch the depth of play GW will achieve with PFO


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Bam. Atonement for my earlier thread.

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This thread needs to be bumped, often, and by someone who knows how.


The end of console games is nigh! (Not really, but I wanted to bump)

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KC and his alts?

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500 millions ? You serious ?


Sometimes I hate Forbes, and sometimes I like them..."To sum the game up in just a few words: This is Halo with RPG elements and co-op, minus the great story and narrative trajectory of the best Halo games." -

Removing the thing I loved most about the Halo series seems backwards to me. I guess I was in the minority.

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That is exactly why I haven't, and probably won't, buy Destiny. Too much hype, too little substance.

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Pre-written stories are fine in single player games. In an MMO, I prefer to make my own story.

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Everything looks good on paper. Few papers are actually turned into reality though. At this point you can only hope...

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Destiny is only for toasters consoles, correct? I've not owned one of those since the Genesis, so I have no experience to compare one game to another.

I remember enjoying Bungie's Marathon on the Mac, but that was long ago and far away.

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Good stories are often unappreciated by many, so those selling to the many don't need a good story.


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What exactly is "bumping," again?

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Bumping is a phenomenon in chemistry where liquids boiled in a test tube will superheat and, upon nucleation, rapid boiling will expel the liquid from the container.

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Those folks in the other thread don't get it...

*ahem*

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Grass.


Hmm... I suppose I could subtly nudge them over here :)

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I don't think "subtly" means what you think it means.

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At any rate, early signs indicate they might be catching on :)

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Pyronous Rath wrote:
Grass.

You had grass? We used to dream of having grass.

We had to sleep on a bit of dust, while ogres threw rocks at us all day, and skeletons all night.


T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:


We had to sleep on a bit of dust, while ogres threw rocks at us all day, and skeletons all night.

You had dust!? Hell, the skeletons and ogres carried us around and mocked us while they did. Dammit man, we had no legs!

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You crazy people.

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I very much approve of the direction this thread has taken :)

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To get on Topic,

The reason Destiny does not have much depth is because they are basing this on their experience making Halo, and FPS shooters.
Further more looking at Destiny, the game player is simpler, more pick up and go play for a bit, and world static.

PFO on the other hand, has more advanced gameplay, requires some learning, and the world is shaped by the player's actions.

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AMEN!!!

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Content requires assets. The more money it costs per asset, the less content you can provide given equal budgets. Once you establish an expectation of quality level, you cannot cheapen it by adding lower quality assets to boost content without upsetting the user base. This means that the development of new content is also prohibitively expensive. Better Graphics = Less Game has been a trend for a long time. But mainstream folks have typically tended to favor the better graphics. The model for this game requires quick iteration. That can be done more effectively at a lesser asset quality. We are going against the trend to get to More Game.


Oh wait, there was topic to this thread??? The creator of the thread obviously did a *very* poor job clarifying it.

I can go shoot some stuff in PFO! And later I might actually get to use a gun :) And if I want to make it FPS, all I have to do is zooooom all the way in on my character.


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Lifedragn wrote:
We are going against the trend to get to More Game.

Doesn't that make us all hipsters?

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Then again Destiny has very much more smooth and better polished gameplay loop and controls.

But let's ask the more important question what is the better tool a screwdriver or a heavy intustial mining drill?

Also: 500 mil is the budget for the Destiny franchise including marketing and not just the direct development cost of Destiny (1).

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NytCrawlr wrote:
T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:


We had to sleep on a bit of dust, while ogres threw rocks at us all day, and skeletons all night.
You had dust!? Hell, the skeletons and ogres carried us around and mocked us while they did. Dammit man, we had no legs!

Luxury ! We had to provide our own skeletons, and pay 2 coppers for the priviledge !

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By George, I think they've got it! :)

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You called? :)

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Gm you had a gm I had to give birth to my gm and then wait 17 years for him to grow into the job.

You may think Iam just being funny but I played my first dnd game in th 70's and my second one 25 year later when my son Joey was old enough to play/run a game.

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Diella wrote:

Gm you had a gm I had to give birth to my gm and then wait 17 years for him to grow into the job.

You may think Iam just being funny but I played my first dnd game in th 70's and my second one 25 year later when my son Joey was old enough to play/run a game.

You have a son to DM for you? You lucky so and so. I had to make my own DM out of dirt clods and cigarette butts. He won't run anything but GURPS and he always kills my character in the first encounter and then makes snide comments about it for the rest of the evening!

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Let's get back on topic please

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This is the topic: getting us to stop posting in that other thread. Right, sspitfire1?

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You had destiny level graphics? I remember when we had to put a coloured gel in front of the screen to have any colour other than green.

How's that for back on topic?

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A twofer!

Shaibes wrote:
...GURPS...

I used to dream about playing GURPS, but our GM ran Rolemaster...with twice the tables.

Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
...had to put a coloured gel in front of the screen...

You had a screen? Luxury!


T7V Jazzlvraz wrote:
This is the topic: getting us to stop posting in that other thread. Right, sspitfire1?

I did say this...

sspitfire1 wrote:

*Read Guurzak's last comment from a certain dead thread*

Now I feel guilty! I'm creating a new thread.

and this...

sspitfire1 wrote:

*Subtly communicates with you*

PEOPLE! LET THIS THREAD DIE! Its title is *terrible* and never should be allowed to see the light of the top of the forum threads ever ever again! Now be good, responsible citizens of the River Kingdoms and move your tails- er, tales of.... whatever over to the new thread:

"Destiny: $500 million and it STILL can't touch the depth of play GW will achieve with PFO"

in a certain now-deceased thread that shall not be named.

But mostly Nihimon made me do it.

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This thread needs to be bumped, often, and by someone who knows how.

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Really, Guurzak deserves the credit for pointing out what should have been obvious; whenever we bump a thread, we should be mindful of what the thread title is, because we're keeping that thread title front-and-center for every visitor to see. Like headlines for news stories, thread titles can have an impact even on those who don't read anything else.


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Also: 500 mil is the budget for the Destiny franchise including marketing and not just the direct development cost of Destiny (1).

$500 million including marketing versus, what, $1.5 million including marketing? No contest. GW wins.

Edit: Oh is this what bumping is???

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I honestly rather not see this thread either.

It feels too strong of "my game is so much better than your game" and I already have enough of that too many other places.

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sspitfire1 wrote:
$500 million including marketing versus, what, $1.5 million including marketing? No contest. GW wins.

Activision reports they made $500 Million the first day.

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They sold $500m worth of units, which is different that $500m in net income.

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I'd say of the 500 mil about 300-375 mil goes to Activision. Purely retail would have been 27 on every 60 dollars but with digital being so huge with the new generation of consoles it sould be a bit more.

Then again comparing Destiny and PFO is pretty nonsensical.


Papaver wrote:
Then again comparing Destiny and PFO is pretty nonsensical.

Yes it is but we are doing it anyways. What other nonsensical things shall we do today? :)


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Yes it is but we are doing it anyways. What other nonsensical things shall we do today? :)

Continue to talk about how good kids these days have it?


What age constitute "kids"?

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sspitfire1 wrote:
What age constitute "kids"?

Who cares, if it's funny?

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Everyone younger than the person doing the talking.

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A kid in this particular neck o' the woods is any progeny of Capra hircus that has yet to produce kids of their own.

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