Does the sacred fist lose flurry in armor?

[LoneKnave]

Here are the monk proficiencies:

Armor and Shield Proficiency wrote:

Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields. When wearing armor, using a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load, a monk loses his AC bonus, as well as his fast movement and flurry of blows abilities.

Sacred Fist:

Weapon and Armor Proficiency wrote:

Sacred fists are proficient with the club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shortspear, short sword, shuriken, siangham, sling, and spear. Sacred fists are not proficient with any armor or shields. This replaces the warpriest's weapon and armor proficiency.

As you can see, much like the Sohei, Sacred Fists seem to be able to wear armor and only lose their AC bonus (which is going to be way less than the Armor bonus anyway), but keep their flurry by RAW.

Is this correct/intentional?

[Seranov]

Looking at it, there doesn't seem to be anything specifically preventing the Warpriest from Flurrying while wearing armor. You'd need to blow feats or dip into a class with better armor proficiencies to be able to do so. But, RAW, it looks like it works.

However, I'm almost positive that wildly against the intention of the archetype. It's supposed to be like a Monk (right down to losing its armor proficiencies) so I can't imagine that this isn't an oversight (or an omission to save space on the page).

[Artanthos]

Dip a level of Sohei, they can flurry in light armor and have light armor proficiency.

[Seranov]

Makes me almost want reconsider if I should be dipping MoMS/Sacred Mountain on my Warpriest, instead of MoMS/Sohei. But, since I doubt it's intentional, I think I'll pass. Unless they say Monk and Warpriest AC Bonuses don't stack, then it might end up being something I'd need to do. D:

[LoneKnave]

Consider you could wear a shield as well as a fullplate if you dipped a level of fighter/paladin/cavalier/Armored hulk/etc... and only need a scant few points of Wis and no DEX at all.

[whew]

Under Sacred Fist it says:

Quote:

Flurry of Blows (Ex): ... This ability works like the monk ability of the same name.

The monk flurry doesn't work without armor, so the Sacred Fist flurry shouldn't either.

[thorin001]

A Sacred Fist loses his ability to FoB in armor.

At 1st level, a sacred fist can make a flurry of blows attack as a full-attack action. This ability works like the monk ability of the same name.

This ability replaces sacred weapon.

[Seranov]

I thought the same thing, but Flurry of Blows doesn't specifically call out that you cannot use it while wearing armor. It's only in the weapon and armor proficiency where it says that (on Monks), which is notably absent on the Sacred Fist.

Like I said before, though, that's likely a misprint, oversight, or an omission made to save space. I would agree that you would need to not wear armor as a Sacred Fist to use Flurry of Blows.

[graystone]

LOL 1 multiclass level of fighter and I can flurry in full plate and a tower shield. Love the errors in this new book. :P

[Xethik]

Flurry restriction is from Monk proficiency, not flurry of blows. You can Flurry in armor as a Sacred Fist.

RAW, at least. I assumed it was intended my first read (but I thought Warpriests had armor proficiency at that point)

[thorin001]

RAW they may get to keep FoB, but I am certain that RAI is to be just like a Monk.

Another difference from the Monk is the the Sacred Fist Unarmed Strike ability lacks the verbiage that allows unarmed strikes to be counted as either manufactured or natural weapons.

[Jon Otaguro 428]

I wouldn't build a character around this because I think it's a mistake. Sohei had light armor proficiency

[RumpinRufus]

graystone wrote:

LOL 1 multiclass level of fighter and I can flurry in full plate and a tower shield. Love the errors in this new book. :P

Manuever Master/Fighter can already use Flurry of Maneuvers in full plate and a tower shield.

[graystone]

RumpinRufus wrote:

graystone wrote:

LOL 1 multiclass level of fighter and I can flurry in full plate and a tower shield. Love the errors in this new book. :P

Manuever Master/Fighter can already use Flurry of Maneuvers in full plate and a tower shield.

True, but he can's cast spells while he does it. ;)

[TheBulletKnight]

Crusader's flurry really makes this fun. Take it sometime after 4th when you get channel energy and you'll become even more of a menace on the battlefield. It's almost like they had the feat in mind when they made this archetype.

[TheRamza]

TheBulletKnight wrote:

Crusader's flurry really makes this fun. Take it sometime after 4th when you get channel energy and you'll become even more of a menace on the battlefield. It's almost like they had the feat in mind when they made this archetype.

The sad part here...Sacred Fist doesn't actually have proficiency with their god's favored weapon. That text was part of normal warpriest's proficiency text. And you lose weapon focus as a bonus feat too.

Don't really care for monk weapon proficiencies. Other then the rare shuriken, I don't think I've ever actually use a monk weapon.

[LoneKnave]

Well, if you dip some other class for the heavy armor and shield prof anyway, you'll probably get a weapon prof in your deity's weapon. You've even got the samurai for the katana.