As far as I was aware those metamagics could be combined. Can you post the rule where it says they cant?
They can be combined, but if you have maximize and empower you don't do 150% of max damage.
You roll the damage, take half of the roll, and add that to the max as the empowered part.
Example, 10th level wizard (with a rod) casts maximized empowered fireball. Roll 10d6, take half (for the empower 50% increase), and add it to 60 (10d6 maximized). Some people would just say 90 points (150% of the max 10d6), which is wrong.
However, in the case of a maximized intensified, I would say that it maxes the intensify dice too, because they aren't a numeric multiplier, but rather change the damage cap. That's just me though.
No, there is no rule that says that if you know of one please link to it, I'd be very interested in seeing it.
I know where you get this from though this is an old 3.5 rule. Metamagics interact now. so a maximised empowered 10th lvl fireball would get you 90 damage. Seriously if I'm wrong prove it.
In general, unless stated explicitly a lot of stuff works the same way it did in 3.5. Also:
Maximize Spell (Metamagic)
Your spells have the maximum possible effect.
Benefit: All variable, numeric effects of a spell modified by this feat are maximized. Saving throws and opposed rolls are not affected, nor are spells without random variables. A maximized spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level.
An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus half the normally rolled result.
I'm fairly certain the correct way is to roll 10d6 and take half and then add it to 60 (10d6 maximized).
If you had a maximized, empowered, intensified firedball it would be 15d6*.5+90.
Seriously. If I'm wrong prove it.
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I never even saw that last line of Maximize until now, that says you apply Maximize and Empower separately.
Sadly, I guess if Maximize and Empower must be applied separately, then the intent is probably to apply Maximize and Intensify separately.
Perhaps all metamagic feats must also be applied separately.
However, I cannot find any general rule about combining metamagic in the FAQs.
Maximize and Empower are the only ones that don't apply to the other. All the others work together. So maximized intensified does 90 damage.
Since when is that in there? I'll admit it's there, I just never saw it before. Is it new to a specific printing or something?
Ah I think I know why I never saw it. Theydon't put the same caveat in empower. They really should.
Also where does it say if not stated otherwise assume 3.5? It says nowhere aside from one line in maximize that metamagic doesn't stack so why shouldn't it stack? (aside from maximize and empower together specifically).
Also where does it say if not stated otherwise assume 3.5? It says nowhere aside from one line in maximize that metamagic doesn't stack so why shouldn't it stack? (aside from maximize and empower together specifically).
It doesn't state it anywhere. Just as a general rule they left a lot of stuff alone, and if you don't otherwise know the answer running something the same way they ran it in 3.5 isn't a bad way to go.
This is just a general guideline I am saying about experience for running a game.
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Most of the rules use the same wording from 3.5, so it makes sense that the same words have the same meaning, unless Paizo says differently.
With regard to metamagic, they do stack unless stated otherwise. There is no rule saying they don't stack. There are actually feats and traits to reduce the cost in slots you use if you use more than one.
With a maximized intensified fireball the damage is 90. All intensified does is raise the cap on the dice. That is different from adding dice after the fact.
An intensified maximized empowered fireball would do 90 + ((15d6)/2)