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As the title says. The Ecclesitheurge Cleric Archtype is something I've been wanting for a long, long time. The "priest in robes" is something I've been after since the days of 3.5e, and the archtype delivers. The main benefit of the class is being able to A) prepare the spells from one domain in your non-domain spell slots and B) have access to the domain spells of ALL domains your deity offers. Thus, I am turning to you. Which deities in PF have enough good domains that I'd want to have access to the spell lists of all their domains? Which of those deities happen to also have a domain with spells I'd want to prepare using my regular slots? If somebody could give me some nice deity options for an Ecclesitheurge I'd be grateful. Also, let it be known I have no alignment preference here, so if an evil deity would be best I have no qualms with them. However, please remember said deity must be PFS legal, so no demon lords and such. Every PFS legal deity, however, is fair game for the suggestions.
Gozreh, while terrible at first level (three domains have the same spell), would be an incredibly thematic choice for some campaigns, e.g. Skull and Shackles. Air, Animal, Plant, Water, Weather gives powerful but circumstantial options like entangle, charm/dominate animal, call lightning, barkskin, and higher level ones like cone of cold, chain lightning, animate/command plants, and two versions of elemental swarm.
If you really want to go unarmed/unarmored Plant Domain as the secondary gives you Wooden Fists for punching and Bramble Armor to discourage attackers. Air/Water are good primaries, with an elemental attack and decent spell choices (Air probably best), but Animal can give an animal companion as well (dolphin perhaps?). Weather is probably the worst primary (but a good secondary for the abilities).
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Yeah...what about Daikitsu? She has largely the same domains, having animal, weather, plant, artifice and community. She loses out on air, yes, but still has all the other awesome domains, plus artifice which is quite a powerful domain as well....and the eastern/Kitsune fluff is always nice. In fact, if I'm willing to go down to 16-17 starting wisdom as appose to 18, I could actually make them a Kitsune, which would be very fun and fitting for the deity, to say the least.
Yeah...what about Daikitsu?
I highly recommend Core Deities for PFS in general. You're much more likely to run into something relevant, and your GMs might actually know who you're talking about and be able to add some flavor based on that.
Gorum. Oddly enough, Gorum might be best. All of the domain spells are ones you could easily see being cast, and the domain selections give you a variety of ways to play it. The only other options I can readily think of are either Gozreh as mentioned before, Shelyn, or Sarenrae.
I would say Sarenrae with fire as primary, healing as secondary for the abilities, specifically the empowered healing one. Then you can have fun with fireball potentially 5 times per day at level 5 plus access to sun, gooey, and good
Well I clearly wasn't paying attention to the auto correct lol
Any other recommended deities? And did I say that right with fire as primary and healing as secondary?
Well technically we don't know, because at least one class feature of the Ecclesitheurge is missing.
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As the title says. The Ecclesitheurge Cleric Archtype is something I've been wanting for a long, long time. The "priest in robes" is something I've been after since the days of 3.5e, and the archtype delivers. The main benefit of the class is being able to A) prepare the spells from one domain in your non-domain spell slots and B) have access to the domain spells of ALL domains your deity offers. Thus, I am turning to you. Which deities in PF have enough good domains that I'd want to have access to the spell lists of all their domains? Which of those deities happen to also have a domain with spells I'd want to prepare using my regular slots? If somebody could give me some nice deity options for an Ecclesitheurge I'd be grateful. Also, let it be known I have no alignment preference here, so if an evil deity would be best I have no qualms with them. However, please remember said deity must be PFS legal, so no demon lords and such. Every PFS legal deity, however, is fair game for the suggestions.
Sorry to rain on your parade but I have to say the Ecclesitheurge was a horrendous botch, quite possibly THE WORST archetype in ACG and a real kick in the teeth for the masses who wanted a PROPER clothy divine caster. I soooooo wish they hadn't even bothered.
Ask your DM nicely if he'll allow 3PP.... there are some far better and well thought out versions out there.
And before anyone asks.... Yes I am very much bitter!!!
Well technically we don't know, because at least one class feature of the Ecclesitheurge is missing.Eh?
Blessing of the Faithful is referred to as one of the things you lose if you wear armor or use a shield, but isnt actually a class feature.
Yeah, I think the Ecclesitheurge was written originally here on the boards and the devs asked to use it. Then because it was the only cleric archetype they had for the book, they edited out the missing feature to fit to the single page allotted for it. Really bites to not have access to the missing feature.
Of course, part of the miss with the Ecclesitheurge is the spells themselves. So maybe the archetype wasn't the fix we thought it was.
It's a worthwhile pick for a Theurge, at least. You're not wearing armor anyways so you're not losing anything by taking the archetype.
I would go with Groetus with the darkness (loss) domain as primary. The real prize is shadow conjuration at 4th which is the ultimate swiss-army knife crowd control spell. Build around this one spell and you become a god-wizard who can heal. Some other nice wizard spells on the list as well....blindness/deafness at 2nd, enervation at 5th, greater shadow evocation at 8th.
Madness makes a nice secondary domain for a pure caster cleric.
I don't think the archetype benefits a healer - it's really meant for an offensive pure caster as far as I can tell. The point of the archetype I think is to find domains with useful non-cleric spells that you would want to memorize many duplicate copies of and then abuse the hell out of that. As a cleric you already have all the healing and status removal spells you need on the base list so there is not much point to the archetype from that standpoint.
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Sorry to rain on your parade but I have to say the Ecclesitheurge was a horrendous botch, quite possibly THE WORST archetype in ACG and a real kick in the teeth for the masses who wanted a PROPER clothy divine caster. I soooooo wish they hadn't even bothered.Ask your DM nicely if he'll allow 3PP.... there are some far better and well thought out versions out there.
And before anyone asks.... Yes I am very much bitter!!!
Yeah, I'm disappointed too. That missing class feature is probably what we needed to not get taken down by a goblin archer at level 1 :(
I would go with Adamant's Priest 3PP class instead of Eccli.
Having said that, if forced to use this archetype I would probably go with Feather or Smoke.
It's a worthwhile pick for a Theurge, at least. You're not wearing armor anyways so you're not losing anything by taking the archetype.
Yep... in this case you need a god with Trickery Domain (for Major domain) so you can enter Theurge with 1 level in Cleric. Asmodeus, Calistria and Lamashtu all have nice domains if they're allowed.
Abadar: Travel(trade),Earth (Cave!!!),Protection,Nobility
It's a worthwhile pick for a Theurge, at least. You're not wearing armor anyways so you're not losing anything by taking the archetype.Yep... in this case you need a god with Trickery Domain (for Major domain) so you can enter Theurge with 1 level in Cleric. Asmodeus, Calistria and Lamashtu all have nice domains if they're allowed.
What you really want to do is be a Cleric of Besmara. Then you get Trickery and Tactics.
Also, you're a pirate.
Well, if you worshiped Asmodeus you'd take Fire as Primary Domain and Law or Trickery as Secondary Domain. That would give you extra castings of Fireball and Burning Hands while allowing you to do some other useful tricks.
You basically want to look for gods that have domains that allow more proactive or explodey spells. Clerics have the reactive side covered, but the best way to make one will be to focus on proactive spells.