What Comes After Giantslayer?


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captain yesterday wrote:
Feegle wrote:
Arcturus24 wrote:
...as it might shed light on Aroden's death....
Pretty sure that T-Rex has said in the past that nothing will ever shed light on Aroden's death. :/
When you solve the greatest mystery, then whats left to solve?

How to defeat the Shadows.

And then how to keep the Interstellar Alliance together.


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Well considering the AP after Giantslayer will be the "experimental AP" I would say it would be a Distant Worlds, Arcadia, or Garund AP...I hope.

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Arcturus24 wrote:
I'm wondering what paizo will do with the book of 1000 whispers, in which the last prophecy takes place in 4714, ie now. Even though it's not referenced a lot, it seems a pretty major plot item, as it might shed light on Aroden's death. But the two/three 4714 APs are Wrath (partially), Mummy's Mask and the Iron gods; neither really seem likely to include this.

We thought about incorporating it into an adventure or campaign around these times... but it isn't going to work out. This is an example of where associating something in the game world with a real world date just didn't sync up. Which is is why we don't mention it much at all... we threw in a bit in Occult, but that's all we've got planned for the immediate future.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Well considering the AP after Giantslayer will be the "experimental AP" I would say it would be a Distant Worlds, Arcadia, or Garund AP...I hope.

That's a general guideline, not a rule. We've done back to back experimental APs before, and back to back "non-experimental" ones.


James Jacobs wrote:
Fateweaver wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
It'd only increase your chances if you somehow managed to pick the AP that I've already hired 6 authors to start writing on. AKA: The AP is chosen, and can't be changed now! :-)
So how many AP's am you ahead in trems of planning 2 to 3 ?
I've got my APs more or less picked out through to about 2018 at this point. I think Rob's got his out to at LEAST 2016, if not 2017.

Knocking around in the back of my mind is a niggling thought that something is possibly going to happen in Golarion in 4718 (2018). I just can't recall what it is or why I would think that. I've been pretty deep into research on Korvosa so it may be Varisia related. Anyone else have any insights/wild speculations regarding a potential hint to Mr. Jacobs' plans in existing Golarion history, Reign of Winter has given us precedent.

I'll have to try and retrace my research to see where I stumbled upon the 4718 date.


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James Jacobs wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well considering the AP after Giantslayer will be the "experimental AP" I would say it would be a Distant Worlds, Arcadia, or Garund AP...I hope.
That's a general guideline, not a rule. We've done back to back experimental APs before, and back to back "non-experimental" ones.

I would say Reign of Winter would be experimental and that is right before Wrath of the Righteous

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j b 200 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well considering the AP after Giantslayer will be the "experimental AP" I would say it would be a Distant Worlds, Arcadia, or Garund AP...I hope.
That's a general guideline, not a rule. We've done back to back experimental APs before, and back to back "non-experimental" ones.
I would say Reign of Winter would be experimental and that is right before Wrath of the Righteous

And Wrath of the Righteous is VERY experimental. Good example of us breaking that pattern!

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Diamond B wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Fateweaver wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
It'd only increase your chances if you somehow managed to pick the AP that I've already hired 6 authors to start writing on. AKA: The AP is chosen, and can't be changed now! :-)
So how many AP's am you ahead in trems of planning 2 to 3 ?
I've got my APs more or less picked out through to about 2018 at this point. I think Rob's got his out to at LEAST 2016, if not 2017.

Knocking around in the back of my mind is a niggling thought that something is possibly going to happen in Golarion in 4718 (2018). I just can't recall what it is or why I would think that. I've been pretty deep into research on Korvosa so it may be Varisia related. Anyone else have any insights/wild speculations regarding a potential hint to Mr. Jacobs' plans in existing Golarion history, Reign of Winter has given us precedent.

I'll have to try and retrace my research to see where I stumbled upon the 4718 date.

The main reason I've got my APs picked out to about 2018 has more to do with the fact that I generally ALWAYS have APs planned out for about 4 years. Next year this time I"ll have them planned out to 2019, for example. Doesn't really have much to do with any hidden agendas... unless "being prepared for 4 years of Adventure Paths" is an agenda. Which... I suppose it is?


James Jacobs wrote:
Arcturus24 wrote:
I'm wondering what paizo will do with the book of 1000 whispers, in which the last prophecy takes place in 4714, ie now. Even though it's not referenced a lot, it seems a pretty major plot item, as it might shed light on Aroden's death. But the two/three 4714 APs are Wrath (partially), Mummy's Mask and the Iron gods; neither really seem likely to include this.
We thought about incorporating it into an adventure or campaign around these times... but it isn't going to work out. This is an example of where associating something in the game world with a real world date just didn't sync up. Which is is why we don't mention it much at all... we threw in a bit in Occult, but that's all we've got planned for the immediate future.

That's not to say what "happens" in 4714 still doesn't happen. It could be a seemingly minor event whose significance isn't realized until a year (or three) down the road.

That's how I would handle it at this point when the real world stuff doesn't sync up.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Diamond B wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Fateweaver wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
It'd only increase your chances if you somehow managed to pick the AP that I've already hired 6 authors to start writing on. AKA: The AP is chosen, and can't be changed now! :-)
So how many AP's am you ahead in trems of planning 2 to 3 ?
I've got my APs more or less picked out through to about 2018 at this point. I think Rob's got his out to at LEAST 2016, if not 2017.

Knocking around in the back of my mind is a niggling thought that something is possibly going to happen in Golarion in 4718 (2018). I just can't recall what it is or why I would think that. I've been pretty deep into research on Korvosa so it may be Varisia related. Anyone else have any insights/wild speculations regarding a potential hint to Mr. Jacobs' plans in existing Golarion history, Reign of Winter has given us precedent.

I'll have to try and retrace my research to see where I stumbled upon the 4718 date.

The main reason I've got my APs picked out to about 2018 has more to do with the fact that I generally ALWAYS have APs planned out for about 4 years. Next year this time I"ll have them planned out to 2019, for example. Doesn't really have much to do with any hidden agendas... unless "being prepared for 4 years of Adventure Paths" is an agenda. Which... I suppose it is?

How much does the "What AP would you like to see next" thread impact the schedule? I was planning on restarting it once we hear the Aug 2015 AP.


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Will we be hearing about eyeless krakens at GenCon?

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Coridan wrote:


How much does the "What AP would you like to see next" thread impact the schedule? I was planning on restarting it once we hear the Aug 2015 AP.

It doesn't really impact the schedule at all, really. It impacts what kinds of APs we decide to do, or what elements to include in an AP, but that thread isn't the only thing we weigh in the balance when determining future Adventure Paths.


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James Jacobs wrote:
It impacts what kinds of APs we decide to do, or what elements to include in an AP, but that thread isn't the only thing we weigh in the balance when determining future Adventure Paths.

Lucky really, or they'd all be set in Galt with an ever increasing number of exclamation marks.


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I would like to see a Qadira AP

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Galt of the Drow....


Steve Geddes wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
It impacts what kinds of APs we decide to do, or what elements to include in an AP, but that thread isn't the only thing we weigh in the balance when determining future Adventure Paths.
Lucky really, or they'd all be set in Galt with an ever increasing number of exclamation marks.

whats wrong with GALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

and i have way more exclamation marks to throw out there:)

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captain yesterday wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
It impacts what kinds of APs we decide to do, or what elements to include in an AP, but that thread isn't the only thing we weigh in the balance when determining future Adventure Paths.
Lucky really, or they'd all be set in Galt with an ever increasing number of exclamation marks.

whats wrong with GALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

and i have way more exclamation marks to throw out there:)

You might want to get that looked at.


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Anthony J. Crowley wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
It impacts what kinds of APs we decide to do, or what elements to include in an AP, but that thread isn't the only thing we weigh in the balance when determining future Adventure Paths.
Lucky really, or they'd all be set in Galt with an ever increasing number of exclamation marks.

whats wrong with GALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

and i have way more exclamation marks to throw out there:)

You might want to get that looked at.

YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!!!


I'd like to see one that I'm not interested in, I'm falling behind in running AP's and may need to skip one to catch up.

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Tell me about it. Paizo needs to put out a couple dud APs so I have time to play/run Council of Thieves and Legacy of Fire without something super awesome and new distracting me.

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captain yesterday wrote:

GALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good sleuthing tho:) i hope you're right:)
outside of Galt, Tian-Xia is number one on my list of APs i'd like to see:)

Wasn't the Tian-Xi AP called Jade Regeant?

This is like when I asked for a Cheliax AP before I knew what Council of Thieves was about.


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Victor Zajic wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

GALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good sleuthing tho:) i hope you're right:)
outside of Galt, Tian-Xia is number one on my list of APs i'd like to see:)

Wasn't the Tian-Xi AP called Jade Regeant?

This is like when I asked for a Cheliax AP before I knew what Council of Thieves was about.

two and a half books out of six does not make a whole adventure path:)

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But it does somehow make the theme of the entire AP.

Just because not every book of Reign of Winter is not set in Irrisen doesn't make it not the Irrisen AP.

Also, I'm hoping the next AP is about Galt, if only to prove the theory that more loud makes more right.


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captain yesterday wrote:

whats wrong with GALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

and i have way more exclamation marks to throw out there:)

Paizo thought you were saying GIANT!!!!!!!! They are a bit dyslexic, sorry.

Still 3 out 4 letters ain't bad.


Jeven wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

whats wrong with GALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

and i have way more exclamation marks to throw out there:)
Paizo thought you were saying GIANT!!!!!!!! They are a bit dyslexic, sorry.

then we have something in common:) at least thats what my teacher kept telling me, but i never listened to her anyway:)


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Victor Zajic wrote:

But it does somehow make the theme of the entire AP.

Just because not every book of Reign of Winter is not set in Irrisen doesn't make it not the Irrisen AP.

Also, I'm hoping the next AP is about Galt, if only to prove the theory that more loud makes more right.

I would say, as Paizo did when it was announced, that it is not an Irrisen AP, but a Baba Yaga AP. You could still do a very interesting Irrisen AP, although I don't expect that for quite some time.


Yep, they were very emphatic during RoW's release that it was NOT the Irrisen AP, it was the Baba Yaga AP.

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I want to know what the next Adventure Path IS, not what we want it to be. Get your sleuthing hats on people and let's see if we can spoil it before it's announced. The answers are out there, we just need to find them. :D


Honestly they need to hit a home run, they need something that is really attractive not just something that they want to do. The reason being is D&D next is a d20 system not that far removed from Pathfinder. Players will migrate over, older players coming back and brand new players will go to D&D first because they have heard the brand name and are not familiar with the Pathfinder brand.

My advise to Paizo if they want to put out a sure fire hit would be another kingdom building AP, the amount of gamers that came to Pathfinder due to that AP is staggering.


Suggestion: A We Be Goblins Adventure Path.


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I am hoping to here about those 13 eyeless krakens and what the aboleth are up to.


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Hmmm… PF#100 will be part 4 of whatever that arc will be called.
Given that James has indicated it’s a big deal, I would think / hope it would be something either fun & crazy-over-the-top or iconic to Pathfinder…

Random speculation:

Geb/Nex would be interesting and might allow some fun stuff with Alkenstar & the Manawastes, but they’ve done a mod there recently.

Absalom would be very cool, but urban adventures seem to be a bit harder to pin down well for APs – though going into the Siege Tower of Nex might be interesting, especially if it led through to multiple other demi-planes like every high-level PC seems to do.

For an iconic, “back-to-our-roots” sort of thing, I could see a return to Darkmoon Vale, the area of many of the early mods set on Golarion.

For a “naw-they’d-NEVER-do-THAT” sort of guess, I’d say some sort of whirlwind journey through different areas ala “Around the World in 80 Days” where Paizo staff get to write something thematic about their “pet country”.

Since they rarely seem to flinch from potential world-ending stuff, I could see something in Casmaron that involved the now-updated Tarrasque (even if not directly). I’d love to see something involving the legend of Namzaruum get full AP treatment.

A Mediogalti or Red Mantis-related AP might be interesting, since the RMs are pretty iconic for PF. Given the prevalence of “let’s be good guys!” themed APs, it probably wouldn’t be my cup of tea, but Paizo has been able to surprise me more than once, so I’d be curious to see it.

An AP around the Sun Orchid Elixir and the Veiled Masters which control those who partake of it might be interesting (yes, rampant speculation, no actually evidence in cannon … yet!)

Something which gives additional info on the rise of the Thrunes and involves devilish manipulations and maybe even daemons could be cool.

Shadows of Aroden – where we may not actually find out what DID happen to Aroden, but we may find out more about events which occurred simultaneously, such as the mass suicide of the leaders of the Saoc Brotherhood, and what the Sar-gorog truly are.

-TimD

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roysier wrote:

Honestly they need to hit a home run, they need something that is really attractive not just something that they want to do. The reason being is D&D next is a d20 system not that far removed from Pathfinder. Players will migrate over, older players coming back and brand new players will go to D&D first because they have heard the brand name and are not familiar with the Pathfinder brand.

My advise to Paizo if they want to put out a sure fire hit would be another kingdom building AP, the amount of gamers that came to Pathfinder due to that AP is staggering.

Not sure the system alone will draw the players. WOTC is the one who needs a home run in the adventure dept.

I certainly wouldn’t mind another kingdom builder! My hope is for urban political intrigue that takes place in Taldor completely though.

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captain yesterday wrote:
at least thats what my teacher kept telling me, but i never listened to her anyway:)

Let me guess: she never talked about Galt.


No, but i did learn alot about France, as french was her second language, and also we had french exchange students at our house every summer. also she was my Mom as i was home schooled, my other teacher, my Dad, was a high school teacher so they would tag team teaching us:)

to be honest, i've always disagreed with her assesment, to each their own:) it was mostly i suspect because i was resistant towards math and i write everything upside down (in that when i write i have the paper upside down but it comes out right side up)


But wasn't Galt based on the Terror, or some other part of the French Revolution?


We've an inadvertent confirmation (by James Jacobs) that what's coming after Giantslayer will NOT be Mythic... which precludes a Starstone AP. It probably precludes something set in Nex and the next nation over as that would likely work best with Mythic rules.


thats why i want Galt so much, and Galt was a huge reason i switched to Golarion:)


Tangent101 wrote:
We've an inadvertent confirmation (by James Jacobs) that what's coming after Giantslayer will NOT be Mythic... which precludes a Starstone AP. It probably precludes something set in Nex and the next nation over as that would likely work best with Mythic rules.

Let's see... Maybe we can go outside the Inner Sea again? Maybe start outside the Inner Sea? The latter probably won't happen, but it'd be cool IMO.


magnuskn wrote:

It has not been? That's a crime, it really is the best AP module I've ever seen your company publish (followed by The Dead Heart of Xin, Tide of Honor and Seven Days to the Grave, by the way).

Anyway, I hope Brandon can write another AP module soon, he is very, very good at it, actively listens to constructive criticism and proceeds to use it to write better for his next work.

Are you talking about what is happening in Dead Heart of Xin (and it's locale and it's NPCs) or about the encounters in that module?

If you are talking about the first then i am 100% with you, if you are talking about the encounters... well... i would really like to know how you managed to salvage them because i am having a really hard time doing that.


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rknop wrote:

Another Mythic AP could work with just a few small changes.

First, assume APL = level of characters + mythic tiers (not just half the mythic tiers).

Please no. Wrath of the Righteous just might have edged out Skull n Shackles as my all-time favorite AP but the utterly unnecessary Mythic rules almost wrecked it. My vote - meager as it certainly is - would be for Mythic to never appear in an AP again unless it was as a series of sidebars suggesting how to make an encounter mythic rather than how to make it not.


Graeme Lewis wrote:
Tangent101 wrote:
We've an inadvertent confirmation (by James Jacobs) that what's coming after Giantslayer will NOT be Mythic... which precludes a Starstone AP. It probably precludes something set in Nex and the next nation over as that would likely work best with Mythic rules.
Let's see... Maybe we can go outside the Inner Sea again? Maybe start outside the Inner Sea? The latter probably won't happen, but it'd be cool IMO.

Too soon after SnS to do some sea-faring AP, perhaps under the sea this time?

The Exchange

experimental ap: psionics in Vudra, make it so number one.


Ravenglass wrote:
Suggestion: A We Be Goblins Adventure Path.

I know this is supposed to be about Sleuthing, not wish listing, but seeing as the new Monster book that isn't a Bestiary is coming out soon - a PC's as monsters AP.

See. Totally and completely based on posts and that and like totes sleuthing around the boards.

Totally not because I wanna play as a vegepygmy, orc, wingless Harpy, wight, skeleton, skeleton-drow, lizard folk, wight-lizardfolk, skeleton-wingless harpy etc etc etc :)


I know this girl, and she told me that she heard from her cousin on Facebook that some guy who played with this other guy who told him he heard from someone on Twitter that this girl told him that the next AP after Giantslayer was going to

Spoiler:
s$!@ i had something for this! something distant worlds maybe? i actually have no idea:)


Distant Worlds isn't likely, at least not this close to Iron Gods. Minimum, we're looking at the August 2019 AP, and that's only if Iron Gods goes so far above and beyond that a path in a similar vein is too popular to not do.


i dunno, its experimental, the Distant Worlds Campaign Setting book has been thru like 12 printings, seems like theirs a market for it, i would in a second:)

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To focus the speculation, I'd imagine the next AP would have some companion campaign setting books to go along with it, which would kind of indicate not a Distant Worlds one at this time.

There's no campaign book on Galt...

Geb/Nex would be dandy...

An updated Darklands book is probably also due and would presumably be one of the biggest sellers they could make.

Paizo could also get some mileage out of Vudra and Psychic Magic books.

Ultimately, at the time it's released (next year), it (or the one after it) would need to be something with a lot of potential fan base as the rule system starts to get a bit long in the tooth, to get folks buying product!

I'm starting to kind of feel like Geb/Nex might be next... I'm actually quite curious how they'd set up a campaign in that area.

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captain yesterday wrote:
I know this girl, and she told me that she heard from her cousin on Facebook that some guy who played with this other guy who told him he heard from someone on Twitter that this girl told him that the next AP after Giantslayer was going to ** spoiler omitted **

I really expected an explosive runes joke here.

The Emerald Spire preview that was just released in the blog got my mind turning about a Hollow Mountain AP. Given the earlier mentioned comments on Runelords I doubt it's next, but it does seem to be something Mr. Jacobs wants to do. Perhaps it's even on the lineup.

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We are terrible sluethers apparently. lol

Where is Cheapy to win the internet with a single post when we need him?

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