Greetings, I'm posting this question in Su/HR/Hb because I'm not entirely sure if it's an actual concrete rule or not, so it may need to be housed.
If one player were to be using a Large character, while another is using either a Medium or Small, could the smaller character effectively use the larger character as a Mount?
If so, anyone know the mechanics that would be at play? For example, if a Dwarf or a Halfling wanted to ride a Minotaur PC, how would this work?
I suppose the same applies if a Halfling wanted to mount an Orc?
I mean, is this even possible? It seems rather game-breaking if the smaller character is a build to optimize Mounted Combat while the "mount" were optimized for Charge / Rage / Bull Rush, but we needed clarity on it all.
There is no rule against this. Consult the character weight and carrying capacity charts (conveniently opposite each other on pages 170 and 171) and keep in light load and RAW you should be okay.
There is also nothing preventing one character from riding another that is also mounted.
One of the rage powers Greater Ferocious Mount duplicates on the mount is Greater Ferocious Mount itself. A Sohei using monastic mount also causes any activated ki abilities to be duplicated on the mount and mount is itself an activated ki ability.
I therefore recommend, if possible, topping the mount stack with an awakened raven sohei monk riding a gnome barbarian and increasing sized synthesist summoners with a huge druid at the bottom.
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Have you tried buying them dinner?
^ sounds like a new iconic - would love to see the art for that one.
This isn't going to turn into a "Succubus in a grapple" thread, is it?
Cthuludrew wrote: This isn't going to turn into a "Succubus in a grapple" thread, is it? I don't think so.
But this thread's name sounds soooo wrong.
The idea seems rediculous to me, a smaller PC who'd want to sit on the other one's shoulder, holding the reigns attached to a mouth piece.
"Nudge nudge, wink wink, saynomore."
Sophomoric humor aside, the "player-mounted player" has shown up numerous times before and worked just fine, but most sourcebooks always pointed out the GM had final say if the critter seemed "non-standard". Supposedly 3.5 had a rule that 'tall' (as opposed to long) critters (so...bipeds) had to be two size categories larger. The ride skill also has mention of "ill-suited mount" and whether or not you have a saddle affecting your ride check.
But let's ignore that and assume that straight-up, you're a halfling Cavalier riding a half-orc Armored Hulk, it still doesn't make that big a shift. The rider can MAYBE block one attack, or grant the mount an extra attack, or do stuff that they could do WITHOUT the feats. Ride-by attack is no different than holding an action to attack as the enemy goes past, Spirited Charge or that "full attack after charging" feat are basically just delaying until they Mount character has reached the enemy before attacking.
You can't flank with your mount, your mount has to lug you around (carrying capacity matters) and your mount is really slow, comparatively speaking.
I mean it isn't BAD, but I don't see it breaking the game.
boring7 wrote: a halfling Cavalier riding a half-orc Armored Hulk Will we ever get beyond Thunderdome? :P
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There have been threads about this in the past.
In my opinion, for the pair to get the benefits the "mount" would have to be willing to be guided like a rider does with a mount. As soon as the mount starts doing what it wants, not only would any benefits stop working but in addition the rider should face some penalties on his actions.
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simplest solution the rider sacrifices a move action so we don't get weird things where someone runs, and then the guy on him jumps off and charges the enemy.
well it may cause fights amongst players, but an orc barbarian head on your left wall is just too feng shui to worry about whether they were your fellow party member or not.
Vamptastic wrote: Have you tried buying them dinner? The thread title made me think of the other kind of role-playing...
Haladir wrote: The thread title made me think of the other kind of role-playing... My PFS cleric of Calistria has done this on more than a few occasions, thanks to his + 32 bluff and diplomacy checks.
uh...
My five-year-old weighs around 60 lbs, and I can carry him around on my shoulders pretty well. This is about as heavy (in theory) as a halfling in medium armor.
So speaking from personal experience :hah:, first thing I would worry about is hands/stirrups, right, because I hold my son's legs down while carrying him with my arms. Maybe with some sort of weird stirrup thing would this work and I could keep my hands to, I dunno, fight with?
I'm pretty sure I get to keep my pitiful Dex bonus to AC (because sometimes I trip on stuff and don't fall over).
Second thing, yeah, in case nobody noticed, my shoulders aren't exactly flat (you know, my head is in the way). In other words, you don't really ride shoulders, it's more like you balance on them. You know, I've ridden a horse too, and it's way different than riding piggyback.
I have not yet ridden a horse with my son perched on my shoulders, so I know nothing about doing that.
yeah yeah, I know, RL physics/personal experience vs. D&D, but still. Personal experience? I would not want to run and fight with a halfling on my back doing the same.
Okay Fenoxo, let's keep this family-friendly.
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