Reincarnate going wrong?

[Butmunch]

Hi guys,

So I have a question, in our current campaign I played a relatively old dwarf that's proud of his heritage and I was killed and reincarnated as a gnome. At this point my character just went nuts but the party calmed me down. So we went about to find a way to change me back as I don't wish to face my family as a dwarf so we finally found a way.

We met a genie who we've hud quite some interactions with and he seems a very good guy, doesn't appear deceitful, so far at least to our knowledge and someone in our party is bizarelly intuitive. So we have on our person a certain very valuable artifact, not as valuable as a wish, but it is quite special to him, that he wants to buy from us and we rejected most matterial offers but then he offered to grant us a wish.

So we said we had to think about it and currently I don't know how to word the spell properly, so that the wish doesn't go wrong.

I basically want my old body back (eventhough it's a lot older, because my character has no wish to live another dwrven lifetim), but retain the experience I've amassed since becoming a gnome, as in skills I've mastered and things like that.

So my question is this how do i phrase this wish properly?

I have many ideas myself I just wanted some fresh perspective.

[Grollub]

precluding the need for a "wish contract" with lengthy lawyer-esque wording.. just make sure you say up front

"if this wish doesnt give me what I want, deal is off, no artifact for you"

If the genie wants it bad enough, he won't mess with you.

[VM mercenario]

Start with Grollubs suggestion, then use this:

I wish that you will transfom my body to it's dwarven form, exactlry as it was before I was mortally wounded in the day XX of YY month and year ZZZZ, while keeping my mind, memories, knowledge and experience as they are right now, without altering them.

[maouse]

VM mercenario wrote:

Start with Grollubs suggestion, then use this:

I wish that you will transfom my body to it's dwarven form, exactlry as it was before I was mortally wounded in the day XX of YY month and year ZZZZ, while keeping my mind, memories, knowledge and experience as they are right now, without altering them.

...and DONE! Now, you can't remember anything new. Memory is locked at this moment, never to change, ever. Until death. Enjoy.

The best way to avoid someone messing with a wish is to #1 not cast it. #2 be really friendly with the person who is completing the request.

Sounds like you are friendly with the Genie... take the chance... what's the worst that can happen? You become a Half-Gnome-Dwarf with a tail. Big whoop.

[MagusJanus]

VM mercenario wrote:

Start with Grollubs suggestion, then use this:

I wish that you will transfom my body to it's dwarven form, exactlry as it was before I was mortally wounded in the day XX of YY month and year ZZZZ, while keeping my mind, memories, knowledge and experience as they are right now, without altering them.

And that's when you find out the genie uses a different calendar than you do right before ending up five years old all over again.

Best way to handle it? Ask for divine help.

[Orfamay Quest]

maouse wrote:

VM mercenario wrote:

Start with Grollubs suggestion, then use this:

I wish that you will transfom my body to it's dwarven form, exactlry as it was before I was mortally wounded in the day XX of YY month and year ZZZZ, while keeping my mind, memories, knowledge and experience as they are right now, without altering them.

...and DONE! Now, you can't remember anything new. Memory is locked at this moment, never to change, ever. Until death. Enjoy.

... AND the genie doesn't get the artifact, as per Grollub. Enjoy.

[maouse]

Orfamay Quest wrote:

maouse wrote:

VM mercenario wrote:

Start with Grollubs suggestion, then use this:

I wish that you will transfom my body to it's dwarven form, exactlry as it was before I was mortally wounded in the day XX of YY month and year ZZZZ, while keeping my mind, memories, knowledge and experience as they are right now, without altering them.

...and DONE! Now, you can't remember anything new. Memory is locked at this moment, never to change, ever. Until death. Enjoy.

... AND the genie doesn't get the artifact, as per Grollub. Enjoy.

Saying the deal if off and the Genie agreeing with that statement might be more difficult than you hoped for... especially if he got to use Wish Magic on you first... just saying...

No, he might not lock you in like that. He might give you a body with 1 year life span... or the reverse lifespan back to the mortal wounding... or what have you. Again the best way to be sure is to be on his good side, offer him something worth his time, and generally be nice. Which it seems the Gnome-Dwarf is doing.

In the end, if you have an evil GM they will find a way to warp it. If no other reason than HE'S A GENIE! Check alignment... xG, go for it.

[Anzyr]

This is pointless. The Reincarnate spell explicitly says a Wish or Miracle can return to you your original form. That's not a "greater effect" use of Wish, so there's no need to get out your Craft (Contract) skills. To quote the spell itself:

"A wish or a miracle spell can restore a reincarnated character to his or her original form."

So you don't need to phrase the wish properly, as you are not in the greater effects section of wish, which has the following rules:

"You may try to use a wish to produce greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment, at the GM's discretion.)"

Finally, just use Miracle. You'll save 25,000 GP that way. Why is this still a thread?

[The_Lake]

That reincarnate explicitly says wish can return you to your original form means you would expect your GM to approve of that use of wish, not that it exempts you from the iconic genies trick those who make wishes scenario.

[Atarlost]

The_Lake wrote:

That reincarnate explicitly says wish can return you to your original form means you would expect your GM to approve of that use of wish, not that it exempts you from the iconic genies trick those who make wishes scenario.

Wish twisting is only for things wish cannot explicitly do. Even if correcting wrong race reincarnation is listed in reincarnate instead of wish it is explicitly within wish's capability.

Tell your GM that if he tries to corrupt this he's down a player. Corrupting a wish for fluff is a very serious dick move.

[Grollub]

maouse wrote:

Orfamay Quest wrote:

maouse wrote:

VM mercenario wrote:

Start with Grollubs suggestion, then use this:

I wish that you will transfom my body to it's dwarven form, exactlry as it was before I was mortally wounded in the day XX of YY month and year ZZZZ, while keeping my mind, memories, knowledge and experience as they are right now, without altering them.

...and DONE! Now, you can't remember anything new. Memory is locked at this moment, never to change, ever. Until death. Enjoy.

... AND the genie doesn't get the artifact, as per Grollub. Enjoy.

Saying the deal if off and the Genie agreeing with that statement might be more difficult than you hoped for... especially if he got to use Wish Magic on you first... just saying...

No, he might not lock you in like that. He might give you a body with 1 year life span... or the reverse lifespan back to the mortal wounding... or what have you. Again the best way to be sure is to be on his good side, offer him something worth his time, and generally be nice. Which it seems the Gnome-Dwarf is doing.

In the end, if you have an evil GM they will find a way to warp it. If no other reason than HE'S A GENIE! Check alignment... xG, go for it.

I don't think that is unreasonable to say when making the deal "if you screw me, deal's off" as part of the deal..

especially when a wish doesn't have to do anything weird to change you back, and the genie WANTS the artifact.

You bargain with the genie before he makes the wish for you... so he agrees up front to ( all the stipulations of ) the deal .. or no wish is made ( unless hes just giving you a wish for free and hoping you give him the artifact.

I see this as a cut n dry case... The gm should really work with the player here, its what the player wants, the player is trying to co-operate and give the gm a way to do it. The only variable in this whole equation is how much of a dick the dm is.

[MagusJanus]

Atarlost wrote:

The_Lake wrote:

That reincarnate explicitly says wish can return you to your original form means you would expect your GM to approve of that use of wish, not that it exempts you from the iconic genies trick those who make wishes scenario.

Wish twisting is only for things wish cannot explicitly do. Even if correcting wrong race reincarnation is listed in reincarnate instead of wish it is explicitly within wish's capability.

Tell your GM that if he tries to corrupt this he's down a player. Corrupting a wish for fluff is a very serious dick move.

Wish twisting is also for things Wish can do. It depends on the personality of the wish granter.

Which is why you shouldn't be using a genie for this. And when there isn't a personality involved, the exact language isn't necessary.

That's why I suggested going the divine path after seeing an exact language wish statement. Less people trying to frag you there.