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probably need details of where those bonuses come from.
also what materials are you permitted and what concept are you trying to accomplish?
You could for instance go blood rager 4, instead of barbarian, and then and then take 2 levels of Dragon disciple for a +2 bonus to strength.
So Blood Rager (check with your dm if the draconic bloodline works with the dragon disciple, if thats the case take that) 4, Rage Chemist 2, Dragon Disciple 2.
20 base
+4 morale when raging
+2 at 4th and 8th level
+4 enhancement
+2 from dragon disciple
+6 from rage chemist mutagen.
+2 from alter self or enlarge person
+ 4 Courageous Weapon (depending on interpretation) or +2 Furious Courageous.
eldritch heritage won't come into play until something like 13th level. dice rolls don't matter she already gave you the only stat that matters. looking into a solution for you....
edit* is blood rager pfs legal currently, I didn't think the book had come out yet.
As per my Mystic Theurge Guide part 3 of 4:
Strength
Alter Self (2.3.2)
Aspect of the Wolf (4.9.2)
Enhancement Bonus to Strength
Bull's Strength (2.3.2)
Mighty Strength (4.7.2)
Transformation (6.11.4) - I think this may make a really cheap, very powerful item
Luck Bonus to Strength Checks
Deadly Juggernaut (3.5.2) (most broken spell to make continuous in PF)
Divine Power (4.7.4) (Special, L9 = +3, L12 = +4, L15 = +5, L18 = +6)
Morale Bonus to Strength
Rage (2.5.4)
Vengeful Outrage (5.13.2) - could be underpriced
Size Bonus to Strength
Beast Shape I (3.5.2)
Beast Shape 2 (4.7.2)
Beast Shape 3 (5.9.2)
Beast Shape 4 (6.11.2)
Elemental Body (4.7.2) (Earth)
Elemental Body 2 (5.9.2) (Earth)
Elemental Body 3 (6.11.2) (Earth)
Enlarge Person (1.1.2)
Form of the Dragon 1 (6.11.2)
Monstrous Physique 1 (3.5.2)
Monstrous Physique 2 (4.7.2)
Monstrous Physique 3 (5.9.2)
Monstrous Physique 4 (6.11.2)
Plant Shape 1 (5.9.2)
Plant Shape 2 (6.11.2)
Righteous Might (5.9.4)
Undead Anatomy I (3.5.2)
Undead Anatomy II (5.9.2)
Undead Anatomy III (6.11.2)
Vermin Shape I (3.5.2)
Vermin Shape II (4.7.2)
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You could for instance go blood rager 4, instead of barbarian, and then and then take 2 levels of Dragon disciple for a +2 bonus to strength.
So Blood Rager (check with your dm if the draconic bloodline works with the dragon disciple, if thats the case take that) 4, Rage Chemist 2, Dragon Disciple 2.
20 base
+4 morale when raging
+2 at 4th and 8th level
+4 enhancement
+2 from dragon disciple
+6 from rage chemist mutagen.
+2 from alter self or enlarge person
i was actually thinking this route, but i went with bard 5 barb 2 chemist 1 for certain reasons.
dawnflower dervish dawn with aasimar's alternate favored class on inspire courage. with banner of the kings gives me +6 attack and damage, which stacks with all that stuff.
One issue I'm seeing is that its going to take you a minimum of 2 rounds of Pre-buffing to get to the 38 STR you're at now (Alter Self and Bull Str until you get a Belt). Adding anything else is going to keep you from being effective for to long.
How do you fit all that in only eight class levels? Don't you need to be a high level alchemist just to get the +6 mutagen, much less that barbarian rage and spellcasting abilities?
What DM would possibly allow such inane shenanigans?
Me, provided you had a means of keeping the whale alive and well during the periods of inactivity. (A personal demiplane ought to do it.)
I actually have a similar character that uses mammoths for this (unlike a whale, you can easily purchase mammoths for only 2,000gp).
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We can do better.
I can see your point, but casting a couple of 5th level arcane spells isn't really in scope for a discussion about hitting a particular STR target at level 8.
A +2 Furious Courageous weapon boosts your Morale bonus to +6 and lets you hit 40 STR -- but you won't be able to afford that weapon AND a Banner of the Ancient Kings at level 8.
You could for instance go blood rager 4, instead of barbarian, and then and then take 2 levels of Dragon disciple for a +2 bonus to strength.
So Blood Rager (check with your dm if the draconic bloodline works with the dragon disciple, if thats the case take that) 4, Rage Chemist 2, Dragon Disciple 2.
20 base
+4 morale when raging
+2 at 4th and 8th level
+4 enhancement
+2 from dragon disciple
+6 from rage chemist mutagen.
+2 from alter self or enlarge personi was actually thinking this route, but i went with bard 5 barb 2 chemist 1 for certain reasons.
dawnflower dervish dawn with aasimar's alternate favored class on inspire courage. with banner of the kings gives me +6 attack and damage, which stacks with all that stuff.
Can you explain the point of taking the Dawnflower Dervish archetype (and thus the Dervish Dance feat) on a strength based character? If it's just for the battle dance's bonus to attack/damage, you might be better off with a Magus or Warpriest that can enhance your weapon, or maybe an Inquisitor with the Bane and judgment abilities.
You need 2 levels of rage chemist to get the strength boost.
From the conversations on the Advanced Class Guide, it's about 50/50 whether PFS GMs would allow Draconic bloodline bloodrager to qualify for Dragon Disciple. When the actual book is released, we hope it will clarify this question. Your GM's opinion is, of course, the one that matters, so check with them.
My take on the "max out strength" build is a half-orc barbarian 1/rage chemist 2/inquisitor 5 and take Amplified Rage as your solo-teamwork feat.
That would get you to
20 base
+4 morale when raging
+4 morale boost when raging with teamwork feat
+2 at 4th and 8th level
+4 enhancement
+6 from rage chemist mutagen
+2 from alter self or enlarge person
That's 42. For extra fun, get Moment of Greatness to double your morale bonus on a single attack or check, and hang out with a cleric of Trudd (Dwarven deity of Strength) to get Mighty Strength cast on you (+8 enhancement bonus).
Of course, in a regular game, that's about 20 more Strength than you would need for any encounter scaled for level 8. Your armor class is terrible (light armor only with Dawnflower Dervish, -2 for rage, -2 for Enlarge Person, no points left over for Dex), and someone already mentioned that rage chemist will leave you comatose. And I don't want to be around this character when a bad guy pops up with Murderous Command or Dominate...
dawnflower dervish dawn with aasimar's alternate favored class on inspire courage. with banner of the kings gives me +6 attack and damage, which stacks with all that stuff.
Holding the banner of the kings in one hand means you can't 2-hand your weapon: that costs you +8 to damage (1 1/2 times strength on a two handed weapon).
I'm assuming you're using the Urban Barbarian archetype to let you use the perform skill while you're raging, but you still won't be able to cast any spells. Also, the controlled rage won't boost your Con, so you're hit points won't be as high as a normal Barbarian. Watch out for that.
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My idea on this topic would be:
Druid 4/ Urban Barbarian 2/ Rage Chemist 2
So:
20 Base
4 morale(Be sure to take the extra rage feat)
2 levels
6 alchemy
4 Enchantment
6 Size(If you can become a Huge animal), (You would need the feat that will make your Wild Shape to stack with up to 4 non Druis levels)
The Couragious weapon ability could help you increase the morale bonus to greater heights.
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dawnflower dervish dawn with aasimar's alternate favored class on inspire courage. with banner of the kings gives me +6 attack and damage, which stacks with all that stuff.Holding the banner of the kings in one hand means you can't 2-hand your weapon: that costs you +8 to damage (1 1/2 times strength on a two handed weapon).
I'm assuming you're using the Urban Barbarian archetype to let you use the perform skill while you're raging, but you still won't be able to cast any spells. Also, the controlled rage won't boost your Con, so you're hit points won't be as high as a normal Barbarian. Watch out for that.
the dervish feat is useless to me. i took 5 levels of it using the aasimar's favored class bonus to make it 2 levels higher (effective lvl 7 for inspire courage) and then the banner which increases it by 4 more (11)
at lvl 11 the inspire courage increases it to +3 and dancing increases that to +6 attack and +6 damage ( which, in effect is more cost effective than buying a +2 weapon)
you can attach it to a longspear, which i will be using, accumilated with the reach feat.
+1 for inquisitor levels... in fact, if your whole goal is the strength you could even drop the barbarian levels entirely- the anger inquisition (or the rage subdomain if you had more levels) both give you rage.
half-orc ragechemist 2/inquisitor 6 (with anger inquisition)
20 base
+2 from levels
+4 enhancement
+6 alchemical
+10 morale: rage plus amplified rage and a +2 furious courageous weapon (affordable with avg WBL if you take craft magic arms and armor)
+2 size
44 total strength at 8th.
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+1 for inquisitor levels... in fact, if your whole goal is the strength you could even drop the barbarian levels entirely- the anger inquisition (or the rage subdomain if you had more levels) both give you rage.
half-orc ragechemist 2/inquisitor 6 (with anger inquisition)
20 base
+2 from levels
+4 enhancement
+6 alchemical
+10 morale: rage plus amplified rage and a +2 furious courageous weapon (affordable with avg WBL if you take craft magic arms and armor)
+2 size44 total strength at 8th.
amplified rage says the ally has to be raging. it dosent matter if inquisitor says they have the teamwork feat.
amplified rage says the ally has to be raging. it dosent matter if inquisitor says they have the teamwork feat.
Thank you- I'd forgotten that... That still leaves you at 40 str at 8th- if you can spare a feat for Leadership you could grab a cohort that has rage (or an ACG skald who can make all your allies rage) and get back up to 44.
amplified rage says the ally has to be raging. it dosent matter if inquisitor says they have the teamwork feat.Thank you- I'd forgotten that... That still leaves you at 40 str at 8th- if you can spare a feat for Leadership you could grab a cohort that has rage (or an ACG skald who can make all your allies rage) and get back up to 44.
I believe there is a half-Orc feat that lets your allies rage if you are raging.
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amplified rage says the ally has to be raging. it dosent matter if inquisitor says they have the teamwork feat.Thank you- I'd forgotten that... That still leaves you at 40 str at 8th- if you can spare a feat for Leadership you could grab a cohort that has rage (or an ACG skald who can make all your allies rage) and get back up to 44.
pfs rules. no leadership.
theres a half orc feat that allows you to enter a rage if an adjacent ally is raging. also one that allows you to rage when an ally gets knocked out
Blood Rage spell. It won't be a constant strength bonus, but it'd let you reach 40 Strength even earlier than 8th level.
