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- Solar, Angel ------------------------------- 23----------- Good Aligned Plane
- Balor, Demon------------------------------ 20----------- Any (Abyss)
- Pit Fiend, Devil----------------------------- 20----------- Any (Hell)
- Red Dragon, Great Wyrm------------------ 22----------- Warm Mountains
- Gold Dragon, Great Wyrm----------------- 23----------- Warm Plains
- Silver Dragon, Great Wyrm---------------- 22----------- Temperate Mountains
- Tarn Linnorm------------------------------- 20----------- Cold Lakes or Swamps
- Shoggoth----------------------------------- 19----------- Cold Aquatic or Underground
- Tarrasque---------------------------------- 25----------- Any
- Pleroma, Aeon-------------------------------- 20----------- Any (Outer Plane)
- Draconal, Agathion---------------------------- 20----------- Any Air (Nirvana)
- Star, Archon---------------------------------- 19----------- Any (Heaven)
- Brijidine, Azata-------------------------------- 18----------- Any (Elysium)
- Astradaemon, Daemon------------------------ 16----------- Any (Abaddon or Astral Plane)
- Olethradaemon, Daemon---------------------- 20----------- Any (Abaddon)
- Purodaemon, Daemon------------------------- 18----------- Any (Abaddon)
- Vrolikia, Demon------------------------------- 19----------- Any (Abyss)
- Immolation, Devil------------------------------ 19----------- Any (Hell)
- Crystal Primal Dragon, Great Wyrm----------- 18----------- Any Underground (Plane of Earth)
- Umbral Primal Dragon, Great Wyrm----------- 22----------- Any
- Lhaskharut, Inevitable------------------------- 20----------- Any
- Jabberwock----------------------------------- 23----------- Any Forest
- Mu Spore------------------------------------- 21----------- Any
- Night-Crawler, Nightshade-------------------- 18----------- Any (Negative Energy Plane)
- Night-wave, Nightshade----------------------- 20----------- Any (Negative Energy Plane)
- Keketar, Protean------------------------------ 17----------- Any (Limbo)
- Iathavos, Qlippoth----------------------------- 20----------- Any (Abyss)
- Ravener--------------------------------------- 22----------- Warm Mountains
- Sard------------------------------------------ 19----------- Any Forest
- Thrasfyr--------------------------------------- 17----------- Any
- Elysian Titan----------------------------------- 21----------- Any Land (Elysium)
- Thanatotie Titan------------------------------- 22----------- Any (Abyss)
- Xacarba--------------------------------------- 15----------- Any Land (Abyss)
- Asurendra, Asura----------------------------- 20----------- Any (Hell)
- Bandersnatch---------------------------------- 17----------- Any Forest
- Tempest Behemoth---------------------------- 22----------- Any Air
- Thalassic Behemoth--------------------------- 20----------- Any Water
- Thunder Behemoth---------------------------- 18----------- Any Land
- Shaggy, Demodand--------------------------- 18----------- Any (Abyss)
- Arvan, Div------------------------------------ 20----------- Any (Abaddon)
- Forest Imperial Dragon, Great Wyrm---------- 22----------- Any Forest
- Sea Imperial Dragon, Great Wyrm------------ 20----------- Any Water
- Sky Imperial Dragon, Great Wyrm------------ 21----------- Temperate or Warm Mountains
- Jinushigami, Kami----------------------------- 20----------- Any
- Eremite, Kyton-------------------------------- 20----------- Any (Plane of Shadows)
- Tor Linnorm----------------------------------- 21----------- Cold Volcanic Mountains
- Norn------------------------------------------ 18----------- Cold Mountains
- Void Yai, Oni--------------------------------- 20----------- Cold or Temperate Mountains
- Maharraja, Rakshasa-------------------------- 20----------- Any
- Deep Sea Serpent----------------------------- 19----------- Any Ocean
- Thriae Queen---------------------------------- 18----------- Any
- Hekatonkhirres Titan-------------------------- 24----------- Any
- Tzitzimitl--------------------------------------- 19----------- Any
- Bhole----------------------------------------- 17----------- Any Underground
- Flesh Colossus-------------------------------- 16/MR 6-----Any Land
- Iron Colossus--------------------------------- 21/MR 8-----Any Land
- Stone Colossus-------------------------------- 19/MR 7-----Any Land
- Dagon, Demon Lord-------------------------- 28----------- Any Ocean (Abyss)
- Kostchtchie, Demon Lord--------------------- 26----------- Any Cold (Abyss)
- Pazuzu, Demon Lord-------------------------- 30----------- Any (Abyss)
- Lunar Outer Dragon, Ancient------------------ 18----------- Vacuum
- Solar Outer Dragon, Ancient------------------ 18----------- Vacuum
- Time Outer Dragon, Ancient------------------- 20----------- Vacuum
- Void Outer Dragon, Ancient------------------- 18----------- Vacuum
- Vortex Outer Dragon, Ancient----------------- 19----------- Vacuum
- Drakainia-------------------------------------- 25/MR 8-----Any
- Elohim---------------------------------------- 23/MR 6-----Any (Extraplanar)
- Cernunnas, Empyreal Lord-------------------- 30----------- Any Forest or Plain (Elysium)
- Korada, Empyreal Lord----------------------- 26----------- Any Forest or Mountain (Elysium)
- Vildeis, Empyreal Lord------------------------ 28----------- Any (Heaven)
- Bokrug, Great Old One----------------------- 27----------- Any Water
- Cthulhu, Great Old One----------------------- 30----------- Any (R’lyeh)
- Hastur, Great Old One------------------------ 29----------- Any
- Guardian Dragon------------------------------ 24/MR 10---Any
- Julunggali-------------------------------------- 21/MR 8----Any Land or Water
- Agyra Kaiju----------------------------------- 27----------- Warm Mountains
- Bezravnis Kaiju------------------------------- 26----------- Warm Deserts
- Mogaru Kaiju--------------------------------- 28----------- Warm Forests or Water
- Yamaraj Psychopomp------------------------- 20----------- Any (Purgatory)
- Star-Spawn of Cthulhu------------------------ 20----------- Any
- Fomorian Titan-------------------------------- 22/MR 8-----Any (Abyss)
- Characters should use 20 point buy for starting ability scores
- Any class (including archetypes), race (except for custom races), and feat from Pathfinder can be used, no 3PP material (ex: dream scarred press, wotc, ect…); additional restriction, magic item crafting costs cannot be reduced beyond the 5% produced by the hedge magician magical trait (to prevent excessive WBL abuse).
- For the use of honor or fame systems, or any system that is similar; Points may be purchased for a cumulative cost of 500 gold pieces per rank. 1 points 500gp, 2 points 1500gp,…, 5 points 7,500gp,…, 10 points 27,500gp, ect…
- Builds should be as descriptive as possible as per the original beastmass and the Zen Archer monk guide.
- One to Four party members may enter the combat for contest; for each party member beyond the first, reduce starting wealth for each by a cumulative percentage; 2nd party member would reduce would reduce overall wealth by 5%, 3rd party member would reduce overall wealth by 10%, 4th party member would reduce overall wealth by 20%
- Cohorts do not count towards the party member limit, but they start with having npc wealth of their level -3. As such, Familiars and Animal companions also do not count towards the party member limit.
- The PC(s) receive on rest period between every 3 encounters.
- Each creature will have a starting attitude of hostile towards the single PC or Group of PCs
- Gathering information on creatures is crucial for any PC, but to represent the more unusual creatures in each bestiary after the first, we need to make it more difficult. The baseline is the Bestiary 1, which allows for Knowledge DCs at 10 + CR/ +5 after that to know more about the creatures.
- Knowledge checks DCs for Bestiary 2 are: 15 + CR/ + 5 for each ability after the initial result
- Knowledge checks DCs for Bestiary 3 are: 20 + CR/ + 5 for each ability after the initial result
- Knowledge check DCs for Bestiary 4 are: 25 + CR/ + 5 for each ability after the initial result; however the base DC will increase on a 1:1 basis if the creature has Mythic Ranks.
- Every combat encounter should be a CR 25 challenge or greater. Environmental factors, I believe, do not greatly influence an encounters CR in a meaningful way after level 10, so they should not be factored in for the encounters final CR. If a player wishes to impose such extreme environmental factors that they alone would constitute a challenge to their PC or PCs, then that will be on top of the base CR of the challenge.
- Using table 12—3 on page 398 of the Core Rulebook we can determine how many creatures are needed to make a CR 25 encounter. 1 Creature = CR; 2 Creatures = CR+2; 3 Creatures = CR+3; 4 Creatures = CR+4; 6 Creatures = CR+5; 8 Creatures = CR+6; 12 Creatures = CR+7; 16 Creatures = CR+8. If an encounter has more than 4 creatures, they will be broken down into groups of two (or the nearest whole number rounding up) for initiative counts. Example Shoggoth needs 8 creatures to make a CR 25 challenge, for initiative we will have 2 Shoggoth in each initiative grouping.
- The PC or PCs will use their own initiatives, if they have familiars, eidolons, or animal companions they will go on their own initiative counts. This rule will also apply to followers. Summoned creatures will go on the same initiative count as the summoning creature.
- Each combat will take place in the environment listed in the creature’s stat block with a few minor changes. There is a 50/50 chance that either the monster or the PC(s) get field advantage. If the monster gets field advantage, then they also get two precombat buffs if applicable and a surprise round. For example, Shoggoth can be found in any cold aquatic or underground environment. If it gets field advantage, the battle will take place in a vast underground cavern system filled with icy flowing murky water (DC 30 swim check to move about; failure drags you 1d6x5 feet deeper into the cavern and characters might start to suffocate). If the PC(s) get field advantage, then they remove the water from the underground cavern system or they decide to fight Shoggoth on a small island or from a boat. This is just an example.
- Each combat should be played out five times with the opportunity of gaining field advantage changing each time. To advance to the next opponent, the PC(s) needs at least three wins; any tie will be declared a loss for the PC(s).
- Each lost match for the PC(s) will still allow them to advance to the next opponent however with a twist. For every lost match, the PC(s) are reincarnated randomly, with any result of Other (GMs choice) being a kobold with a negative advanced template (-4 to all physical stats, -2 natural armor).
- If the PC(s) loses two matches in a row or have lost a total of four matches, then they have failed the challenge.
- Each combat should have a round by round post with dice rolls, these combat posts do not need to be detailed, just enough to show what each combatant did with rolls as necessary. <Dice>1d20</dice> with [ or ] replacing the < or > to roll a dice.
While detailed, this is a rough draft of an updated beastmass challenge. I am also working on fleshing on the field advantage system I proposed and also working on making a set of twists for each encounter.
A twist may be that certain abilities may have already been used before combat starts, such as a Pit Fiend's 1/year wish or that the pit fiend is actually an infernal duke with unique traits as presented in the Bestiary.
What do you think?
81 beasts in fact.
It may not be the best benchmark, but it offers a wide array of high level scenarios.
Non social ones though.
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Why force encounters to be separated by 4 hours? If a caster wants buffs, let them have their buffs, nothing wrong with that. It's like saying "Hey! Lets purposely make it harder for these classes!" Thats not the purpose of a benchmark.
Not to mention, it really limits those who wish to prove they can do it all in one day (looks at the gunslinger >.<)
CR 25 is arbitrarily used as the benchmark and offers a higher challenge, it is also the highest CR that a group of 4 non-mythic heroes can supposedly handle with a moderate amount of system mastery.
If gold is paid for the spell, I do not see a problem with having your own demi plane to retreat to. Be aware however, that some encounters could take place in the very plane due to twists.
- Hero retreats to private plane, however the next encounter is with an intelligent foe who has been diving information about the PC(s). The enemies ready an ambush on that plane.
That is an example of an arbitrary twist, one that could happen, could the player set up an ambush of their own on their character's personal plane, I see no reason to not allow it. That could even be their field advantage.
Encounters could happen through out the day, however the rest period of 8 hours should still be there. The player should decide the time of day that they rest, I say this because certain classes need time to prepare and rest to replenish their resources. After that rest period, the encounters could happen back to back to back with no rest between or spaced evenly throughout the day.
If monsters have treasure, I think they should be able to use it, this may cause their CR to increase, thus decreasing the number of opponents in a fight. This does not mean that they should have gear specifically set to nullify the PC(s), but to increase their own versatility and survivability (sp?).
I think dice rolls would be best, if someone get's lucky they get lucky, if they don't they don't. Averages are fine, but I think that would cheapen a feat or trait for the followers of Abadar who can choose to deal average damage with their attacks and also certain classes as well.
I did mention in an example with Shoggoth that its fight could take place on a small island, a vast underwater cavern. So each fight might take place in an area roughly the size of a small town (Sandpoint for example) to a metropolis (Magnimar for example), or a beach (Rickity Squibs from Skull and Shackles), to a half-mile radius of the Mwangi Expanse to an entire plane of existance (rocket tag to the extreme).
I do suggest a set standard size for the encounter area.
I would like to see a gunslinger (or any character do this updated Beastmass in a single day). However classes or characters that require bought resources (such as bullets, flasks, or arrows), might have a disadvantage.
So I think a grace period before the first Bestiary and between the other bestiaries should also be given. This grace period can be used for shopping, healing, gathering information. This also implies that treasure is handed out for defeating certain monsters.
While I do have a build that can complete this challenge, it is broken and full of cheese. I called it Legion.
Simply put: Legion is any race with any class combination 5 or 10/Noble Scion 10/any class combination 5. So long as it ends up with 20 levels with 10 levels being Noble Scion.
This build abuses leadership past the nth degree. While it followed the rules of the original Beastmass and Beastmass 3-Dragon Hunt, it would never be allowed in a game outside of theorycrafting.
For theorycrafting purposes:
Legion has unlimited followers, cohorts, stewards, skills, magic, money, land, called creatures, summoned creatures, anything and everything under the sun and moon.
I guess I'm not too familiar with the Beastmass challenge. Could you post the rules for the challenge, and how it will be done? Order, time-frame, all at once, level, banned classes, etc?
I guess I'm not too familiar with the Beastmass challenge. Could you post the rules for the challenge, and how it will be done? Order, time-frame, all at once, level, banned classes, etc?
Beastmass I also have the link in the first post. The rules are modified from the first beastmass as well. Both first posts in this thread and in the linked thread have the rules.
Assume 3 CR 25 or greater encounters a day. Probably 2 hours after the PC(s) wake up, then 4 hours after that, and 2 hours after that, so long as the PC(s) get their 8 hour rest. IF the PC(s) need a greater challenge, the encounters can happen back to back to back with no rest between any of the 81 encounters.
Between each bestiary though, there should be a 3 day rest period to give the PC(s) time to rest/recover and replenish their abilities. So the PC(s) should be starting fresh at the beginning of each bestiary.
Okay, I wanted to try my hand at a Synthesist Summoner. I've never built one before, but I spent a good number of hours pouring over the PRD and fourms to make sure that he's legal.
Half-Elf Synthesist Summoner 20
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Ability Scores
Strength 8
Dexterity 10
Constitution 10
Intelligence 14
Wisdom 10
Charisma 30
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Defense
Hit Points 122
Armor Class 11
Touch 11 Flat-Footed 10
Fortitude +11
Reflex +11
Will +27
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Miscellaneous and Skills
Initiative +0
Speed 30ft
Fly +23
Knowledge (Arcana) +25
Knowledge (Planes) +25
Spellcraft +25
Common, Elven, Abyssal, Celestial
Trait: Metamagic Master (Summon Eidolon)
Trait: Magical Lineage (Summon Eidolon)
Favored Class Bonus: 1/4 Evolution Points per level
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Combat
Base Attack Bonus +15
Combat Maneuver Bonus +14
Combat Manuever Defense 24
Spear +14
1d8-1 x3
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Feats
1:
Your eidolon has more evolutions.
Prerequisites: Eidolon class feature.
Benefit: Your eidolon’s evolution pool increases by 1.
Special: This evolution can be taken once at 1st level, and again at 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th.
(+5 Evolution Points)
3:
You can make exceptionally deadly melee attacks by sacrificing accuracy for strength.
Prerequisites: Str 13, base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You can choose to take a –1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls. This bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon.
When your base attack bonus reaches +4, and every 4 points thereafter, the penalty increases by –1 and the bonus to damage increases by +2.
You must choose to use this feat before making an attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn. The bonus damage does not apply to touch attacks or effects that do not deal hit point damage.
(-4 to hit, +12 to damage with bite)
5:
7:
You are adept at spellcasting when threatened or distracted.
Benefit: You get a +4 bonus on concentration checks made to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability when casting on the defensive or while grappled.
(Concentration Bonus +36)
9:
You can cast spells in a fraction of the normal time.
Benefit: Casting a quickened spell is a swift action. You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast a quickened spell. A spell whose casting time is more than 1 round or 1 full-round action cannot be quickened.
Level Increase: +4 (a quickened spell uses up a spell slot four levels higher than the spell's actual level.)
Casting a quickened spell doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity.
Special: You can apply the effects of this feat to a spell cast spontaneously, so long as it has a casting time that is not more than 1 full-round action, without increasing the spell's casting time.
11:
13:
You have learned to enter a deeper state when casting spells, allowing you to shrug off distractions, damage, weather effects, and even the effects of other spells.
Prerequisites: Combat Casting.
Benefit: You do not need to make concentration checks when affected by vigorous or violent motion or by violent weather. You gain a +2 bonus on all other concentration checks.
(Concentration Bonus +36)
15:
17:
Your training and reflexes allow you to react swiftly to avoid an opponents' attacks.
Prerequisite: Dex 13.
Benefit: You gain a +1 dodge bonus to your AC. A condition that makes you lose your Dex bonus to AC also makes you lose the benefits of this feat.
19:*(retrain at level 20)*
20:
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Special Abilities
Spells (listed later)
Cantrips (listed later)
A synthesist summons the essence of a powerful outsider to meld with his own being. The synthesist wears the eidolon like translucent, living armor. The eidolon mimics all of the synthesist’s movements, and the synthesist perceives through the eidolon’s senses and speaks through its voice, as the two are now one creature.
While fused with his eidolon, the synthesist uses the eidolon’s physical ability scores (Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution), but retains his own mental ability scores (Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma). The synthesist gains the eidolon’s hit points as temporary hit points. When these hit points reach 0, the eidolon is killed and sent back to its home plane. The synthesist uses the eidolon’s base attack bonus, and gains the eidolon’s armor and natural armor bonuses and modifiers to ability scores. The synthesist also gains access to the eidolon’s special abilities and the eidolon’s evolutions. The synthesist is still limited to the eidolon’s maximum number of natural attacks. The eidolon has no skills or feats of its own. The eidolon must be at least the same size as the synthesist. The eidolon must have limbs for the synthesist to cast spells with somatic components. The eidolon’s temporary hit points can be restored with the rejuvenate eidolon spell.
While fused, the synthesist loses the benefits of his armor. He counts as both his original type and as an outsider for any effect related to type, whichever is worse for the synthesist. Spells such as banishment or dismissal work normally on the eidolon, but the synthesist is unaffected. Neither the synthesist nor his eidolon can be targeted separately, as they are fused into one creature. The synthesist and eidolon cannot take separate actions. While fused with his eidolon, the synthesist can use all of his own abilities and gear, except for his armor. In all other cases, this ability functions as the summoner’s normal eidolon ability (for example, the synthesist cannot use his summon monster ability while the eidolon is present).
This ability replaces the class’s eidolon ability, bond senses, and life bond.
(Stats while fused listed later)
Starting at 1st level, the synthesist forms a close bond with his eidolon. Whenever the temporary hit points from his eidolon would be reduced to 0, the summoner can, as a free action, sacrifice any number of his own hit points. Each hit point sacrificed this way prevents 1 point of damage done to the eidolon (thus preventing the loss of the summoner’s temporary hit points), preventing the eidolon from being killed and sent back to its home plane.
This ability replaces life link.
Starting at 1st level, a summoner can cast summon monster I as a spell-like ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + his Charisma modifier. Drawing upon this ability uses up the same power as the summoner uses to call his eidolon. As a result, he can only use this ability when his eidolon is not summoned. He can cast this spell as a standard action and the creatures remain for 1 minute per level (instead of 1 round per level). At 3rd level, and every 2 levels thereafter, the power of this ability increases by one spell level, allowing him to summon more powerful creatures (to a maximum of summon monster IX at 17th level). At 19th level, this ability can be used as gate or summon monster IX. If used as gate, the summoner must pay any required material components. A summoner cannot have more than one summon monster or gate spell active in this way at one time. If this ability is used again, any existing summon monster or gate immediately ends. These summon spells are considered to be part of his spell list for the purposes of spell trigger and spell completion items. In addition, he can expend uses of this ability to fufill the construction requirements of any magic item he creates, so long as he can use this ability to cast the required spell.
At 4th level, whenever the synthesist is fused with his eidolon, he gains a +2 shield bonus to his Armor Class and a +2 circumstance bonus on his saving throws.
This ability replaces shield ally.
At 6th level, whenever the synthesist is fused with his eidolon, the synthesist can cast dimension door as a spell-like ability using his caster level. This ability only affects the fused synthesist and eidolon. The synthesist can use this ability once per day at 6th level, plus one additional time per day for every six levels beyond 6th.
This ability replaces maker’s call and transposition.
At 10th level, a summoner can divert up to 2 points from his eidolon’s evolution pool to add evolutions to himself. He cannot select any evolution that the eidolon could not possess, and he must be able to meet the requirements as well. He cannot select the ability increase evolution through this ability. Any points spent in this way are taken from the eidolon’s evolution pool (reducing the total number available to the eidolon). The summoner can change the evolutions he receives from these points any time he can change the eidolon’s evolutions.
At 12th level, whenever the synthesist is fused with his eidolon, he gains a +4 shield bonus to his Armor Class and a +4 circumstance bonus on his saving throws.
This ability replaces greater shield ally.
At 16th level, as a swift action, the synthesist and his fused eidolon can split into two creatures: the synthesist and the eidolon. Both have the same evolutions. The synthesist emerges in a square adjacent to the eidolon if possible. All effects and spells currently targeting the fused synthesist-eidolon affect both the synthesist and the eidolon.
The synthesist can use this ability for a number of rounds per day equal to his summoner level. He can end this effect at any time as a full-round action. For the duration of this effect, the eidolon functions as a normal eidolon of the summoner’s class level.
This ability replaces merge forms.
At 18th level, a summoner can divert more of his eidolon’s evolutions to himself. This ability functions as the aspect ability, but up to 6 evolution points can be taken. Unlike the aspect ability, the eidolon loses 1 point from its evolution pool for every 2 points (or fraction thereof) diverted to the summoner.
At 20th level, a summoner and his eidolon share a true connection. As a standard action, the summoner can assume the shape of his eidolon, copying all of its evolutions, form, and abilities. His Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores change to match the base scores of his eidolon. He can choose to have any gear that he carries become absorbed by his new form, as with spells from the polymorph subschool. Items with continuous effects continue to function while absorbed in this way. The summoner loses his natural attacks and all racial traits (except bonus feats, skills, and languages) in favor of the abilities granted by his eidolon’s evolutions. The summoner retains all of his class features. The summoner can keep this form for a number of minutes per day equal to his summoner level. This duration does not need to be consecutive, but it must be spent in 1-minute increments. The summoner can end this effect as a free action.
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Gear
Headband of Alluring Charisma +6
Ring of Wizardry IV
Tome of Leadership +1 (already read)
(Rest of gear equiped by Eidolon)
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Spells
6- DC: 26 7/day
Walk Through Space
Incendiary Cloud
Maze
Hostile Juxtaposition, Greater
Dominate Monster
5- DC: 25 7/day
Banishment
Hungry Pit
Planar Adaptation
Rejuvenate Eidolon, Greater
Creeping Doom
4- DC: 24 13/day
Baleful Polymorph
Acid Pit
Hold Monster
Infernal Healing, Greater
Hostile Juxtaposition
Evolution Surge, Greater
3- DC: 23 8/day
Rejuvenate Eidolon
Spiked Pit
Control Summoned Creature
Diminsional Anchor
Greater Invisibility
Stoneskin
2- DC: 22 8/day
Barkskin
Create Pit
Haste
Summon Eidolon
Wind Wall
Cushioning Bands
1- DC: 21 8/day
Rejuvenate Eidolon, Lesser
Feather Fall
Grease
Expeditious Retreat
Endure Elements
Infernal Healing
0- DC: 20 -/day
Acid Splash
Arcane Mark
Open Close
Read Magic
Light
Detect Magic
Eidolon Quadruped
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Ability Scores
Strength 34
Dexterity 28
Constitution 20
Intelligence 7
Wisdom 10
Charisma 11
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Defense
Hit Points 197
Armor Class 54
Touch 25 Flat-footed 44
Fortitude 19
Reflex 23
Will 14
Spell Resistance 31
Immune (Cold, Acid, Fire, Electricity)
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Combat
Base Attack Bonus +15
Combat Maneuver Bonus +27
Combat Manuever Defense 46
Bite: +32/+27 1d8+23
Bite w/Power Attack: +28/+23 1d8+35
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Special Abilities
Darkvision 60ft
Link
Share Spells
Evasion
Ability Score Increase (Strength x2, Constitution x1)
Devotion
Multi-Attack
Improved Evasion
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Evolutions
Bite (2) (1 Free, 1 Spent) 1 Point
Limbs (Legs 2) (Free)
Limbs (Arms) 2 Points
Improved Natural Armor (5) 5 Points
No Breath 4 Points
Swim (2) 2 Points
Improved Damage (Bite) 1 Point
Pounce 1 Point
Spell Resistance 4 Points
Flight (3 Magic) 8 Points
Immunity (Acid) 2 Points
Immunity (Cold) 2 Points
Immunity (Electric) 2 Points
Immunity (Fire) 2 Points
=36/36
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Gear
Belt of Physical Perfection +6
Bracers of Armor +8
Amulet of the Mighty Fists +5
Ring of Protection +5
Truesight Goggles
Cloak of Resistance +5
Harness, Eidolon Anchoring
Manuel of Gainful Excercise +4 (already read)
Half-Elf (Outsider) Synthesist Summoner 20
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Ability Scores
Strength 32
Dexterity 28
Constitution 20
Intelligence 14
Wisdom 10
Charisma 30
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Defense
Hit Points 222 (197)
Armor Class 58
Touch 25 Flat-Footed 48
Fortitude +20
Reflex +24
Will +31
Spell Resistance 31
Immune (Cold, Acid, Fire, Electricity)
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Miscellaneous and Skills
Initiative +9
Speed 40ft, Fly (Perfect) 60ft, Swim 40ft
Truesight
Fly +32
Knowledge (Arcana) +25
Knowledge (Planes) +25
Spellcraft +25
Common, Elven, Abyssal, Celestial
Trait: Metamagic Master (Summon Eidolon)
Trait: Magical Lineage (Summon Eidolon)
Favored Class Bonus: 1/4 Evolution Points per level
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Combat
Base Attack Bonus +15
Combat Maneuver Bonus +27
Combat Manuever Defense 46
Bite +32/+27
1d8+23
Bite /w Power Attack +28/+23
1d8+35
I'd like to go ahead and submit him.
If I messed up anywhere, let me know and I'll be sure to fix it.
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Clarification question/ Since the primary issue with the Beastmass is the PC's get to spend their time and resources buffing and buying gear specifically for these opponents and the critters didn't how are you going to address that?
Most specifically you have multiple ancient creatures with access to Wish/Miracle and who should have used those powers to improve themselves (at least to overcome they're glaring weaknesses) how are those being handled?
A possible solution is to divide the critters into a small group and allow some of the posters here to spend that cash for the critter and drop it here. This keeps it fair and as equal as an arbitrary contest like this can be.
edit: Also, creatures who have spent their cash on gear shouldn't cause the CR to increase. That treasure value is already on the stat listing so assume that it has already been factored into the CR rating.
I have no interest in creating a PC for this challenge but have no problem equipping any of these critters and posting the optimized version.
Okay, I wanted to try my hand at a Synthesist Summoner. I've never built one before, but I spent a good number of hours pouring over the PRD and fourms to make sure that he's legal.
** spoiler omitted **...
Looks good. I will assume a Neutral Alignment for Eiridal the Summoner.
Remember since these are CR 25 or greater encounters you may face multiple opponents.
If we just go with bestiary 1 creatures, to get them to be CR 25:
- 2 Solars
- 6 Balors
- 6 Pit Fiends
- 3 Great Wyrm Red Dragons
- 2 Great Wyrm Gold Dragons
- 3 Great Wyrm Silver Dragons
- 6 Tarn Linnorms
- 8 Shoggoths
- 1 Tarrasque
So on day one you'll have 3 encounters at some point, first encounter field advantage goes to:
(rolled 80)
So 2 Solars get a 2 rounds to buff themselves before a surprise round as you trespass into their sanctuary. Their sanctuary is a large open plain along Heaven's planar boarder roughly 2000 feet wide and 8000 feet long. These two solar's patrol the area attacking any non-good outsider creature entering the area. They start 250 feet in the air.
Assuming that Eiridal is in his suit, the Solar's buff themselves with Divine Favor and Energy Resistance (+3 atk and dmg, 30 fire resistance) and draw their bows.
Surprise Round: Solars fire their bows at the flat-footed opponent
(rolled 49)
(rolled 42)
This would be an example of how things might play out in a post.
Clarification question/ Since the primary issue with the Beastmass is the PC's get to spend their time and resources buffing and buying gear specifically for these opponents and the critters didn't how are you going to address that?
Most specifically you have multiple ancient creatures with access to Wish/Miracle and who should have used those powers to improve themselves (at least to overcome they're glaring weaknesses) how are those being handled?
A possible solution is to divide the critters into a small group and allow some of the posters here to spend that cash for the critter and drop it here. This keeps it fair and as equal as an arbitrary contest like this can be.
edit: Also, creatures who have spent their cash on gear shouldn't cause the CR to increase. That treasure value is already on the stat listing so assume that it has already been factored into the CR rating.I have no interest in creating a PC for this challenge but have no problem equipping any of these critters and posting the optimized version.
It would make sense that some of the more intelligent creatures would spend some of their wealth shoring up their weaknesses or going for broke and enhancing their strengths instead.
If you'd like to post a few optimized creatures here with either upgraded gear or possible tactics, it would be most appreciated and would help with a better randomized benchmark.
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Clarification question/ Since the primary issue with the Beastmass is the PC's get to spend their time and resources buffing and buying gear specifically for these opponents and the critters didn't how are you going to address that?
Most specifically you have multiple ancient creatures with access to Wish/Miracle and who should have used those powers to improve themselves (at least to overcome they're glaring weaknesses) how are those being handled?
A possible solution is to divide the critters into a small group and allow some of the posters here to spend that cash for the critter and drop it here. This keeps it fair and as equal as an arbitrary contest like this can be.
edit: Also, creatures who have spent their cash on gear shouldn't cause the CR to increase. That treasure value is already on the stat listing so assume that it has already been factored into the CR rating.I have no interest in creating a PC for this challenge but have no problem equipping any of these critters and posting the optimized version.
It would make sense that some of the more intelligent creatures would spend some of their wealth shoring up their weaknesses or going for broke and enhancing their strengths instead.
If you'd like to post a few optimized creatures here with either upgraded gear or possible tactics, it would be most appreciated and would help with a better randomized benchmark.
Certainly, give me a few hours to put something together and we'll see how it goes.
Maybe I should make a list of rolls to be used in turn, or each roll used starts at 1 and moves up to the maximum of the die used then repeats in that fashion until combat resolves.
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Ummm... spending a creature's gold for itself DOES increase it's CR. How does it not? How does giving a creature more gear than what it has listed not make it more difficult? If it says they have 100,000 gold, or 100,000 worth of treasure, that isn't in combat gear, it's in treasure (art, gold, and stuff they normally wouldn't use). This also includes using wish to 'shore up' defenses. Even environmental factors have an effect on CR.
There wasn't any issues with the original beastmass, each class was able to perform to it's full ability. "fixing" the fights to nerf buffs (and thus casters) strays away from the original intent.
One thing you can do is to make several versions of the same fight and allow players to post the best that they can do. For example, 3 difficulties to each fight: You get surprise round, no surprise round, they get surprise round. You can also add in a fore-knowledge difficulty factor too, with difficulties like 'I know what I'm about to fight in the next ten mins', 'I don't know what I'm about to fight right now, but I know i'm fighting these certain monsters today' to 'I have no clue whatsover what I'm about to fight'.
Maps could also be made. Each encounter would have starting positions. Predefined actions for said monsters could be made, with patrol paths for when they don't perceive any threats.
Ummm... spending a creature's gold for itself DOES increase it's CR. How does it not? How does giving a creature more gear than what it has listed not make it more difficult? If it says they have 100,000 gold, or 100,000 worth of treasure, that isn't in combat gear, it's in treasure (art, gold, and stuff they normally wouldn't use). This also includes using wish to 'shore up' defenses. Even environmental factors have an effect on CR.
There wasn't any issues with the original beastmass, each class was able to perform to it's full ability. "fixing" the fights to nerf buffs (and thus casters) strays away from the original intent.
One thing you can do is to make several versions of the same fight and allow players to post the best that they can do. For example, 3 difficulties to each fight: You get surprise round, no surprise round, they get surprise round. You can also add in a fore-knowledge difficulty factor too, with difficulties like 'I know what I'm about to fight in the next ten mins', 'I don't know what I'm about to fight right now, but I know i'm fighting these certain monsters today' to 'I have no clue whatsover what I'm about to fight'.
Maps could also be made. Each encounter would have starting positions. Predefined actions for said monsters could be made, with patrol paths for when they don't perceive any threats.
Favorable Terrain for the PCs: An encounter against a monster that's out of its favored element (like a yeti encountered in a sweltering cave with lava, or an enormous dragon encountered in a tiny room) gives the PCs an advantage. Build the encounter as normal, but when you award experience for the encounter, do so as if the encounter were one CR lower than its actual CR.
Unfavorable Terrain for the PCs: Monsters are designed with the assumption that they are encountered in their favored terrain—encountering a water-breathing aboleth in an underwater area does not increase the CR for that encounter, even though none of the PCs breathe water. If, on the other hand, the terrain impacts the encounter significantly (such as an encounter against a creature with blindsight in an area that suppresses all light), you can, at your option, increase the effective XP award as if the encounter's CR were one higher.
NPC Gear Adjustments: You can significantly increase or decrease the power level of an NPC with class levels by adjusting the NPC's gear. The combined value of an NPC's gear is given in Creating NPCs on Table: NPC Gear. A classed NPC encountered with no gear should have his CR reduced by 1 (provided that loss of gear actually hampers the NPC), while a classed NPC that instead has gear equivalent to that of a PC (as listed on Table: Character Wealth by Level) has a CR of 1 higher than his actual CR.
While I will not deny that changing a creature's equipment could increase or decrease its CR, I think by giving an intelligent creature a budget of roughly 80,000k to spend on two or three items could be "fair".
But I should leave that to the players if they would like a harder challenge, let them decide on the course of action their opponents take with input from the community at large.
One die rotation you could use is: 10-5-15-9-11-4-16-8-12-3-17-7-13-2-18-6-14-1-19-20. Fairly randomized with near-perfect distribution of high and low.
Looks good, I just want challengers and critters to use every roll available to show a more accurate situation, rather than using an average system of numbers.
Honestly, dice rotations with damage dice is a lot of work. Imagine doing that with 20d6 per hit (something a sap master rogue would do)
True, so on damage dice, should they use <dice=damage>20d6+0</dice>
or an average result?
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Ummm... spending a creature's gold for itself DOES increase it's CR. How does it not? How does giving a creature more gear than what it has listed not make it more difficult? If it says they have 100,000 gold, or 100,000 worth of treasure, that isn't in combat gear, it's in treasure (art, gold, and stuff they normally wouldn't use). This also includes using wish to 'shore up' defenses. Even environmental factors have an effect on CR.
There wasn't any issues with the original beastmass, each class was able to perform to it's full ability. "fixing" the fights to nerf buffs (and thus casters) strays away from the original intent.
One thing you can do is to make several versions of the same fight and allow players to post the best that they can do. For example, 3 difficulties to each fight: You get surprise round, no surprise round, they get surprise round. You can also add in a fore-knowledge difficulty factor too, with difficulties like 'I know what I'm about to fight in the next ten mins', 'I don't know what I'm about to fight right now, but I know i'm fighting these certain monsters today' to 'I have no clue whatsover what I'm about to fight'.
Maps could also be made. Each encounter would have starting positions. Predefined actions for said monsters could be made, with patrol paths for when they don't perceive any threats.
A creatures gear IS factored into it's CR already AND is set as part of it's treasure.
Look at the solar for example, it's treasure line includes it's gear with the rest left over for the GM to assign as they see fit. That's why we no longer have random loot tables for creatures treasures.Treasure double (+5 full plate, +5 dancing greatsword, +5 composite longbow [+9 Str bonus])
End of the day, it's probably best to use the standard rules for wealth across the board for creatures as well as PC's. The game is built around that assumption, which is what I'll be doing for my submissions.
For a balanced approach, PCs that are built after 1st level should spend no more than 25% of their wealth on weapons, 25% on armor and protective devices, 25% on other magic items, 15% on disposable items like potions, scrolls, and wands, and 10% on ordinary gear and coins.
Using this rule does pretty much remove the effectiveness of investing in item creation feats since they give you nothing under this rule but it does make the playing field a easily understood one.
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The gear specifically listed is accounted into CR, any additional gear is not. Take for example, the Pit Fiend, whose treasure is left at simply "double". For a CR 20 encounter on medium progression, that's 134,000 gold worth of treasure. Spending that gold/treasure on items that the pit fiend would use in an encounter increases the CR.
Is that bad? Only if you don't want to increase the CR. So if the target CR is going to be CR 25, then CR 25 creatures should have nothing added on, CR 24 should have some, etc...
Either way works... but this is theory crafting, averages are what we live by, not by being lucky :P
I like both, but you are correct.
So averages should be used to quicken the pace of the challenge.
On a side note though FrodoOf9Fingers (or can I call you Frodo?), could you take your Kensai magus through the updated challenge?
I would like to see how far each challenger could go, given two days to prepare before the first bestiary challenge, then having a two to three rest period between each other bestiaries. Or for more challenging engagement, take on each encounter within five minutes of completing each encounter.
I also realize the encounter by post would take an inordinate amount of time, so I should say if you'd like to do three battles of each encounter, one with a surprise round, one with no surprise round, one with the enemy getting a surprise round.
In the instances of surprise rounds, the PC(s) or Creature gets two rounds to buff themselves before starting combat. Think of it as a count down timer 3, 2, 1, Fight if you will.
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The gear specifically listed is accounted into CR, any additional gear is not. Take for example, the Pit Fiend, whose treasure is left at simply "double". For a CR 20 encounter on medium progression, that's 134,000 gold worth of treasure. Spending that gold/treasure on items that the pit fiend would use in an encounter increases the CR.
Is that bad? Only if you don't want to increase the CR. So if the target CR is going to be CR 25, then CR 25 creatures should have nothing added on, CR 24 should have some, etc...
This is where we disagree, I believe that treasure value is there for customizing the encounters (Like every published product that actually uses that treasure value on it's critters) while you seem to be stating it's a bunch of gold and treasure stuffed in a corner and has no bearing on the fight.
I leave iot up to the users on how they choose to interpret it. My postings will use it, and leave it up to the individuals to decide if they want to use them.
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You can call me Frodo, this screen name is what I've had since playing Warcraft 3 online, it's been a good 10-13 years :).
Ok, before I do this with the Kensai, I have a few questions:
First, does there have to be a 4 hour break between fights? Or can I cut that time down by using my own resources to teleport? 5 minutes between encounters doesn't make it harder, it makes it easier because of those buffs (shield, a useful level 1 spell, would last for 3 encounters when there's only 5 mins in between).
Second, should I assume that my character knows what he is fighting? What can I assume that I know? He does have 38 intelligence...
Okay, I wanted to try my hand at a Synthesist Summoner. I've never built one before, but I spent a good number of hours pouring over the PRD and fourms to make sure that he's legal.
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Looks good. I will assume a Neutral Alignment for Eiridal the Summoner.
Remember since these are CR 25 or greater encounters you may face multiple opponents.
If we just go with bestiary 1 creatures, to get them to be CR 25:
** spoiler omitted **So on day one you'll have 3 encounters at some point, first encounter field advantage goes to:
[dice=Field Advantage 1-50 PC(s), 51-100 Creatures]1d100 (rolled 80)
So 2 Solars get a 2 rounds to buff themselves before a surprise round as you trespass into their sanctuary. Their sanctuary is a large open plain along Heaven's planar boarder roughly 2000 feet wide and 8000 feet long. These two solar's patrol the area attacking any non-good outsider creature entering the area. They start 250 feet in the air.Assuming that Eiridal is in his suit, the Solar's buff themselves with Divine Favor and Energy Resistance (+3 atk and dmg, 30 fire resistance) and draw their bows.
Surprise Round: Solars fire their bows at the flat-footed opponent
[dice=Solar 1]1d20+34 (rolled 49)
[dice=Solar 2]1d20+34 (rolled 42)
[dice=damage from Solar 1]2d6+17
[dice=Eiridal's Fort Save]1d20+20This would be an example of how things might play out in a post.
Okay, would common sense things come into account? For example, if I'm on a different plane of existence, would I not have traveled to the plane while under the effects of Planar Adaptation?
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So, the great wyrms go down in the first round of combat. With their size penalties, the only dragon that might see me first is the Gold dragon, but as soon as I throw in stealth he's out.
Using invisibility, I can get to 70 feet away without being detected. On the way I enchant my weapon (making it a +1 merciful cruel keen agile bane Frosting burst (or firey burst), corrosive burst wakishazi) From there, the first round of combat starts (whether surprise or not it really doesn't matter). I go first, using Force Hook Charge to close the gap, and using accurate strike. All four attacks hit, two critical threats (until we get the dice rotation down, I'm just going with the 60% rule?). Because of what I've learned from the gold dragon fight, I only really get one round to do my buissness, and so I use 2 arcane pool points for every critical to deal more damage.
Since my weapon is enchanted with frosting burst (firey burst for the silver dragon), I get a little extra damage, but the total average is the same for all of the dragons: 5d6+32 + 8d6+6d10+128 + 5d6+33 + 8d6+6d10+132 + 20(force hook charge), which averages to 526.5, greater than any of the dragons HP plus their con modifiers, meaning they are unconsciousness in one round. The Silver Dragon has ferocity, so th eKensai would deactivate the merciful enchantment, dealing 4d6 less damage, averaging to 512.5 damage, killing the silver dragon. each fight uses 6 arcane pool points.
I did all of the regular beastmass already, so I'll move on to beastiary two soon. Though, if there's any issues here, let me know.
Though, possible questions come up: What distance do you start away from the dragon? If I started within 70 feet, I wouldn't need a surprise round to get into position. Should we have a standard of some sort, like one or two of the monster's move speeds to it's target? Or do we just let the players decide?
You can call me Frodo, this screen name is what I've had since playing Warcraft 3 online, it's been a good 10-13 years :).
Ok, before I do this with the Kensai, I have a few questions:
First, does there have to be a 4 hour break between fights? Or can I cut that time down by using my own resources to teleport? 5 minutes between encounters doesn't make it harder, it makes it easier because of those buffs (shield, a useful level 1 spell, would last for 3 encounters when there's only 5 mins in between).
Second, should I assume that my character knows what he is fighting? What can I assume that I know? He does have 38 intelligence...
There does not have to be a break between fights. I leave it up to the respective participants to determine length between encounters. So long as they have at least three in the given adventuring day.
So yes, PC(s) may cut down any time by using their own resources if they choose to put a time between fights and wish to use more of their resources than needed for sheer enjoyment of showing off. PC(s) can be flamboyant if they want to be.
I think it would be safe to assume that each PC(s) knows what types of creatures that they may be facing.
- Ex: The PC(s) have been invited to partake in a tournament of sorts and are given a list of creature types they may be expected to face, but not specifics. A dragons are on the list, but not the types of dragons.
- Then they can research the most powerful types of creatures of that creature type on their own time to get a better idea of what they may be facing.
Aberrations – Strange creatures with stranger abilities
Constructs – Mindless automatons, immune to magic
Dragons – Commonly a red fire breathing beast (Legends of Belkazen) or Linnorms for the Land of the Linnorm Kings
Humanoids – Humans, Elves, Halflings, Gnomes, ect…
Magic Beasts – Fairy tail creatures like the Bandersnatch
Monstrous Humanoids – Medusa and Minotaur
Oozes – Gelatinous Cubes
Outsiders – Angels, demons, devils.
Undead – Vampires and Mummies
If the character wishes to do research on foes, I’d say between an hour or two for each creatures depending on knowledge checks (or down to 30 minutes for really high knowledge checks). Using a Library would given even the non-proficient a +10 to their knowledge checks, so hopefuls would at least know some abilities of the first two bestiaries.
Just by taking 10s (using a library) your Kensai would have an average 34 knowledge check for each creature type in the contest and would likely discover some of the more bizarre creatures. But if I recall correctly, the skills were not yet picked on the kensai for the beastmass 3 – dragon hunt.
** spoiler omitted **Okay, would common sense things come into account? For example, if I'm on a different plane of existence, would I not have traveled to the plane while under the effects of Planar Adaptation?
I am beginning to think that it may be better just to use Golarian maps for the battles, such as Sandpoint and its Hinterlands. That gives a very wide area and an assortment of terrain types: Aquatic, Urban, Forest, Swamp, Plains, Hills, mountains a little further north, Underground.
SandpointSandpoint Hinterlands
That way if anyone wanted to make a character that runs around with nothing on and use no magic, they could still survive.
For harder challenges, change locations to benefit the creature the most.
***omitted***I did all of the regular beastmass already, so I'll move on to beastiary two soon. Though, if there's any issues here, let me know.
Though, possible questions come up: What distance do you start away from the dragon? If I started within 70 feet, I wouldn't need a surprise round to get into position. Should we have a standard of some sort, like one or two of the monster's move speeds to it's target? Or do we just let the players decide?
I was hoping the increased number of creatures would cause a few issues, shoot.
I’d use average starting/spotting distances depending on terrain type with +/- 25% distance depending on who has the surprise round. If the PC(s) have the surprise round they choose the +/- distance if they want to change that at all, if the monster has the surprise round the player should position them in the most advantageous way, in the instance where the PC(s) get to act in the surprise round due to a class feature, spell, or ability no change in distance, use the average.
OK, I am willing to give this one a go with a straight Oracle 20.
Some things to note:
1. She has CWI so I gave her 25% increase on WBL as per Ultimate Campaign
2. She can take 20 on any knowledge check and retry with a +16 bonus allowing her to ID pretty much anything. Her minimum check without the bonus is 33, 49 with it.
3. Her stats include the benefit from extended heroism and extended shapechange into a medium water elemental. She can maintain these spells all day if needed despite their 10 minute/level duration (extended lasts for 7 hours)
4. Her charisma is 4 higher due to planar binding a Lilitu demon. Beating its charisma check is trivial for her, especially with moment of prescience and she can simply compel it into obedience with little trouble. After gaining the gift she imprisons the creature to avoid subsequent complications.
5. Note that she can act in the surprise round and rolls three times for initiative.
For background Ahlissa has appointed herself a guardian of mortal beings destiny. Some say she is capable of seeing the future and acts to preserve the timeline, others that she is just an interfering egotist. Whatever the truth she has been known to turn up pretty much anywhere, rarely explains herself and when she does she proves to be frustratingly inscrutable. She is equally comfortable in the courts of kings, the worst of slums and the outer planes. She has allied and warred with powerful outsiders of many different types.
Ahlissa has a great dislike of outsider involvement in the mortal world and is not above driving out demons and angels alike. She is known to have made many enemies in her time, many of which now find themselves subject to imprisonment in some out of the way location on a backwater plane of existence. Some claim to have slain her in the past and yet somehow she always seems to find a way to return.
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Looks like a great build Andrewww.
As Frodo mentioned, and I do agree with using the average results of die, unless anyone has another method of doing so.
Nothing I can think of. Also, note, I made the summoner based off the idea that he would have to travel to all those locations. If I don't have to go to those locations now, I may submit a different character.
Nothing I can think of. Also, note, I made the summoner based off the idea that he would have to travel to all those locations. If I don't have to go to those locations now, I may submit a different character.
By all means, I was actually going to ask that, I was looking over the summoner build and hit preview and saw your post.
Though your summoner with that high of AC may not be hit, I did note that the build had no mention of evasion, which may cause problems from AoEs.
Nothing I can think of. Also, note, I made the summoner based off the idea that he would have to travel to all those locations. If I don't have to go to those locations now, I may submit a different character.By all means, I was actually going to ask that, I was looking over the summoner build and hit preview and saw your post.
Though your summoner with that high of AC may not be hit, I did note that the build had no mention of evasion, which may cause problems from AoEs.
It's in the Eidolon's Special Abilities.
Open the Eidolon tab and scroll down to that, I have evasion and improved evasion.
The stats while fused was mostly supposed to just be combat stats. I didn't want to post everything from the two combined, I was worried the website would break.
Nothing I can think of. Also, note, I made the summoner based off the idea that he would have to travel to all those locations. If I don't have to go to those locations now, I may submit a different character.By all means, I was actually going to ask that, I was looking over the summoner build and hit preview and saw your post.
Though your summoner with that high of AC may not be hit, I did note that the build had no mention of evasion, which may cause problems from AoEs.
It's in the Eidolon's Special Abilities.
Open the Eidolon tab and scroll down to that, I have evasion and improved evasion.
The stats while fused was mostly supposed to just be combat stats. I didn't want to post everything from the two combined, I was worried the website would break.
I must be a watson today instead of a sherlock for over looking such an obvious thing. Damn my eyes.
Lol, it happens to the best of us, no worries.
So, how exactly is the Beast Mass done? Opening a new forum for the rolls? Do I decide what would happen? Do you have some sort of simulator?
Lol, it happens to the best of us, no worries.
So, how exactly is the Beast Mass done? Opening a new forum for the rolls? Do I decide what would happen? Do you have some sort of simulator?
As andreww and frodo suggest, use average dice results
single 1d20 - 10 then 11 alternating round to round
multiple d20s - 10,11,9 then 10,9,11
d2s to d12s - average results
- Ex: 1d6 - 3 then 4 (or 3.5s)
You can decide on the course of actions taken by your PC(s) and the direction of encounters.
Post your results as one or more posts. No matter how far you've gotten in the challenge. With each challenge posted, it can help the community and yourself see what kind of tactics that each PC brings and how the players would run the monsters.
Though in games that I GM at home, I tend to be a bit of a party killing GM by accidents of rolling high in front of my players and them succumbing to challenges about 5 CRs less than their combined level. I have issues with critting PCs every other hit. Alternatively, when I play and someone wishes to kill my PC, they kill everything but my PC.
So if you want to simulate my rolls, have a crit every third attack roll after the first (the opening hit is always a crit; I've stopped rolling for a while because of this) from the creature with 75% or higher for damage rolls.
OK, I thought I would see how Ahlissa might fare in the her first day of adventuring. She confronts the first three in the Bestiary 1 CR25 challenge list, 2 Solars, 6 Balors and 6 Pit Fiends. I have made a couple of minor tweaks to the build posted above. I managed to miss 20 skill points so she has a higher Knowledge: Arcane and Religion and I added a point to Linguistics to give her lip reading. I switched out Sound Burst for Dread Bolt as an [Evil] spell can come in handy occasionally.
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Very well done, though one minor nit-pick.
If your character has SR, that also effects spells cast on yourself unless you drop SR as a standard action. SO her spells might also fail and she might have to contend with the negative levels.
on the wish spells though
Wish for a word spell:
Negation (wiz 6/burst area/20 rounds) + Acid Wave (wiz 4/burst area/20 rounds/10d6 acid plus sickened if damaged) = suppresses all magic in the area, also creates a real acid pool in the area (conjuration [creation] effect, so it is real) - The oracle would then have to make saves every round or take acid damage and she can't use magic and all her magical effects are suppressed for the duration.
Then wish for an area of stone, circular around the area to contain the acid so it doesn't go away, then the other pit fiends can pummel the area with other conjuration [creation] effects.
You did give them fore-knowledge of the oracle after all.
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Not to be too terribly nit picky, since this challenge is indeed very hard (can ANY martial handle 6 pit fiends with wishes, with fore-knowledge? One is hard enough for most classes), but how did you get a save against the images? It normally requires interaction or studying, both would not be something automatic (unless I've missed something...)
Very well done, though one minor nit-pick.
If your character has SR, that also effects spells cast on yourself unless you drop SR as a standard action. SO her spells might also fail and she might have to contend with the negative levels.
From Spell Resistance
A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.Wish is tricky as is Miracle. I think the only useable way to incorporate it into these sort of things is to limit it to these effects which always work such as duplicating spells.
damn my eyes (also bolded for emphasis for me)
Other than that, great work on the encounters.
*edit* also since wish is very very hard to predict, would adding in two more pit fiends and assuming they've already used wish that year be more appropriate? Or just let the player make the best call for the wish themselves and take it at that?
Ahh, would it be better for them to use negation then bum rush her with aid another actions to grapple and pin?