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Greetings you fine third party publishers! I was wondering if any of you had printed better stats for the crossbow or any crossbow variants in any of your materials? a couple of my players prefer crossbows to bows however in core pathfinder crossbows are mechanically inferior to bows.
Also do any of your fine wares happen to give love to some of the lesser used weapons such as flails, warhammers, spears and others?
I know Blackdirge did a series like this for 3.X but I think he's closed up his shop so there are no new ones.
In the meantime I found these at Rpgnow that might be of interest.
* Patches with Punch: Crossbow
* Lightning Strike Virtuoso - this may have been updated in Ultimate Psionics
* Master at Arms: Arbalestier
I cannot speak with any certainty to the quality of these releases. I just located them on a quick search.
You could always check out what's available for Crossbowmen & women in the New Paths Compendium; There's an Elven Archer variant, the Dwarven Crossbowyer.
I'm very highly biased, but I'll go ahead and second this recommendation anyway. ;)
That's a brilliant way to give them their own niche, and also hearkens back to why the Pope banned them in his patch notes. Well done to those designers!
It only works for armor shield or natural armor bonus to AC.
The monk laughs at you, I expect, though I'd have it not work against force effect AC, like mage armor or bracers of armor.
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The monk laughs at you, I expect, though I'd have it not work against force effect AC, like mage armor or bracers of armor.
Eh. Let the monk have his fun.
I wouldn't make any exception for Mage Armor. If you want magical deflection, use something that gives a Deflection bonus. Mage Armor is not impenetrable force, it's just sturdy.
I think crossbows are great they way they are.
Why?
It is a simple weapon. It should be worse than a martial weapon.
The X-bow can be used prone and you can dual-wield 2 light x-bows or 2 hand xbows. The bow has a better rate of fire and you can make it stronger.
There are even repeating x-bows for a better rate of fire.
So the X-bow is exaclty where it should be.
I would also like to add that many weapons are in fact categories for a whole set of weapons who work the same way.
Rapier = rapier + epee.
I am sorry if your favorite weapon doesn´t work the way you think it should work. But if you make the X-bow even stronger, you should make it either a martial weapon or even an exotic weapon!
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I think crossbows are great they way they are.
Why?
It is a simple weapon. It should be worse than a martial weapon.
The X-bow can be used prone and you can dual-wield 2 light x-bows or 2 hand xbows. The bow has a better rate of fire and you can make it stronger.
There are even repeating x-bows for a better rate of fire.
So the X-bow is exaclty where it should be.
I would also like to add that many weapons are in fact categories for a whole set of weapons who work the same way.
Rapier = rapier + epee.
I am sorry if your favorite weapon doesn´t work the way you think it should work. But if you make the X-bow even stronger, you should make it either a martial weapon or even an exotic weapon!
Just a quick note, Repeating Crossbows are Exotic and all they get over ordinary crossbows is a better reload method, which still is inferior to a bow (a Martial weapon :P).
Just a quick note, Repeating Crossbows are Exotic and all they get over ordinary crossbows is a better reload method, which still is inferior to a bow (a Martial weapon :P).
Yep, I know. My Inquisitor loves it.
And your point is?
A pickaxe is far worse weapon than the scythe, does less damage can only do piercing and is heavier. Although its a little bit cheaper.
There are weapons that are mechanically a bit better. No one forces you to use them.
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I think crossbows are great they way they are.
Why?
It is a simple weapon. It should be worse than a martial weapon.
The X-bow can be used prone and you can dual-wield 2 light x-bows or 2 hand xbows. The bow has a better rate of fire and you can make it stronger.
There are even repeating x-bows for a better rate of fire.
So the X-bow is exaclty where it should be.
I would also like to add that many weapons are in fact categories for a whole set of weapons who work the same way.
Rapier = rapier + epee.
I am sorry if your favorite weapon doesn´t work the way you think it should work. But if you make the X-bow even stronger, you should make it either a martial weapon or even an exotic weapon!
It's fine with me that a wizard's backup ranged weapon is not great. But there's a big lack of decent martial ranged weapons to choose from.
A fighter or ranger who wants to make a ranged warrior basically has only the composite longbow to choose from; everything else is just plain inferior. You need to spend at least one feat just to fire as fast as a bow, and even then you'll probably lag behind in damage.
This is different from melee weapons; there are multiple melee weapons that are good enough to use. They each have different advantages - the greatsword has a lot of damage, the falchion has a better crit range. But that's an actual choice, and you don't need to spend a feat for that choice.
I understand your point very well.
Personally many of my martial chars. do not use the bow at low levels, but the sling.
The problem is that there are very few diffrent ranged weapons to choose from historically. Ranged weapons, not throwing weapons. But you could always ask your GM to do you a reskinned bow. Same statistics as a longbow, shortbow, just looks diffrently.
My point was mostly directed at the "if we make xbows stronger, they need to be Martial or Exotic". As in, there are already an Exotic crossbow and it is in no way better then a (composite) bow :-)
Now, the easiest 'fix' would probably be switching composite bows up to exotic and repeating crossbows to martial. Then there would be an actual choice and trade off between the weapons.
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see one of my gripes is that the crossbow, unlike the bow cannot be upgraded via the compound ability. However crossbows can be made for a whole variety of draw weights so why could you not have a mighty crossbow?
That is my main purpose in making this thread I would like crossbows to be a competitive alternative to the bow instead of the mechanically inferior version they are right now.
House ruling is fine and dandy and i will add the crossbow variant rules to my ever growing stack of house rules for pathfinder, but the purpose of this thread is for those who like crossbows to talk about how to make them better hopefully with 3pp support
The simple/martial distinction is meaningless to a Fighter or Ranger, yet they present the Crossbow combat style and the Crossbowman archetype as though they are just as valid as using a longbow. Which they're not, they're traps because (barring houserules) Crossbows will suck forever.
Exotic weapons not only mean easy to use, but also very difficult to manufacture or very rare!
