Weapon Focus


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Can the any class take a weapon focus for improvised weapons ?

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No.

It is possible for the Ranger, with a Combat Style feat, but that is debatable.

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blackbloodtroll wrote:

No.

It is possible for the Ranger, with a Combat Style feat, but that is debatable.

Note that while statted NPCs certainly aren't guaranteed to be rules compliant, there is a Pathfinder module containing NPCs with Weapon Focus (Rock).


Are the NPCs proficient with rock?


Can you link to that NPC ? Is he a giant ?

I remember a post of James Jacob where he stated that rocks (or something similar) are martial or exotic (probably exotic) weapons used by rock giants.

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HectorVivis wrote:

Can you link to that NPC ? Is he a giant ?

I remember a post of James Jacob where he stated that rocks (or something similar) are martial or exotic (probably exotic) weapons used by rock giants.

It's a Hill Giant in Curse of the Riven Sky.


While it would need errata/FAQ to make properly RAW, an argument could be made that the Catch Off Guard or Throw Anything feats make you proficient with improvised (melee/ranged, respectively) weapons, since it eliminates the -4 non-proficient penalty for melee or ranged (respectively) improvised weapons.

If your GM takes that interpretation, Weapon Focus should be legal for a specific improvised weapon, provided you have the Catch Off Guard or Throw Anything feat.


Giants have "rock throwing", which is a special attack and not an attack with an improvised weapon (they don't take nonproficiency penalties, and the damage is not consistent with improvised weapons).

(As a side note, I just noticed that none of the Bestiary giants use the "generally twice the creature's base slam damage" part of the rock throwing rules).

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Equipment Trick might allow it, since you treat the object as a piece of equipment or a weapon whichever is most beneficial. But that's a feat, not a Class Feature.


Jeff Merola wrote:
HectorVivis wrote:

Can you link to that NPC ? Is he a giant ?

I remember a post of James Jacob where he stated that rocks (or something similar) are martial or exotic (probably exotic) weapons used by rock giants.

It's a Hill Giant in Curse of the Riven Sky.

Never use monsters as precedence for PC abilities. Monsters cheat.

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Many monsters just straight up break the rules.

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blahpers wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
HectorVivis wrote:

Can you link to that NPC ? Is he a giant ?

I remember a post of James Jacob where he stated that rocks (or something similar) are martial or exotic (probably exotic) weapons used by rock giants.

It's a Hill Giant in Curse of the Riven Sky.
Never use monsters as precedence for PC abilities. Monsters cheat.

I did acknowledge that in my first post, blahpers.


well, I guess that kiboshes the idea of a warpriest that uses anything that comes to hand. :(

Thank you.

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But if you're looking for something cool and unusual, try Weapon Focus (shuriken) with your warpriest. Shred some faces. :D

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Jiggy wrote:
But if you're looking for something cool and unusual, try Weapon Focus (shuriken) with your warpriest. Shred some faces. :D

I am going for the Club.


I was looking at dwarven tankards, but I guess I will have to work something else out.
As for the shuriken, I don't know if that works with the RAW. :(

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Try Equipment Trick[Tankard]+Weapon Focus[Tankard]. I do believe that is the way to get Weapon Focus in it. I've been contemplating doing this with a Warpriest and Toothpicks.


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BillyGoat wrote:

While it would need errata/FAQ to make properly RAW, an argument could be made that the Catch Off Guard or Throw Anything feats make you proficient with improvised (melee/ranged, respectively) weapons, since it eliminates the -4 non-proficient penalty for melee or ranged (respectively) improvised weapons.

If your GM takes that interpretation, Weapon Focus should be legal for a specific improvised weapon, provided you have the Catch Off Guard or Throw Anything feat.

The Rough and Ready trait does that too, but only with tools of your 'trade' (you need a point in the appropriate craft or profession).

I kind of want to see a warpriest chef going around filleting and flambe-ing all who stand before his hearth. I mean, the tools of the kitchen are made to separate meat from bone anyway....

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Jiggy wrote:
But if you're looking for something cool and unusual, try Weapon Focus (shuriken) with your warpriest. Shred some faces. :D

Blowgun would be cooler.

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Rope Dart seems to be the only thrown weapon workable with the Warpriest, as it never technically leaves your hand. You always have the attached rope.

Weird thing, is when you choose a weapon that deals no damage, like a Net, or Lasso. Not sure what happens then.


still looks like the idea of a warpriest just using whatever comes to hand, doesn't work.

been reading blackbloodtroll's clubber, and trying to take inspiration from that. :)

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Another interesting option, is the Quarterstaff, if nothing, but for the Quarterstaff Master feat.

Runs similar to my Clubber idea, with the whole cheap weapon deal, but runs much more strictly melee.


Jiggy wrote:
But if you're looking for something cool and unusual, try Weapon Focus (shuriken) with your warpriest. Shred some faces. :D

So many ways to break that class. Now I am contemplating doing just that... take two levels of ninja take flurry of stars, and take two weapon fighting and/or rapid shot.

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Right now I'm thinking of dual-wielding tekko-kagis.

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Jiggy wrote:
Right now I'm thinking of dual-wielding tekko-kagis.

Shredder?

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OMG WHY DID I NOT THINK OF THAT


The Surprise Weapon trait gives you +2 to strike with improvised weapons. The attack bonus is superior to weapon focus however you wouldn't qualify you for any feats with weapon focus as a pre-req if that's what you are looking to do.


By RAW no, you can't as you have to proficient in weapon you wish to take weapon focus for. Catch off Guard eliminates the non proficient penalty but doesn't not make you proficient.

As GM if Player wanted to do this this is how I'd do it.

Weapon focus is specific and improvised weapons are broad category. So I could see taking weapon focus broken bottle but it wouldn't apply to the entire field of improvised weapons. If you have the human feat Martial Mastery you can apply feats that apply to single weapon to all the weapons of the same group. So that would then apply to all improvised weapons. This is how I'd rule and it seems reasonable, you wouldn't get the benefit until you were a 16th level fighter.

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