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Interesting. But let's go deeper.
First, players can't take the "Ability Focus" feat, as it is reserved for monsters.
Second, the Misfortune ability allows you to force a re-roll, but the second roll must be taken, even if it is higher.
What is the Eldritch Heritage Bonus here?
For the following, I will be assuming the assassinate DC is 23, given that Ability Focus is illegal.
I will also assume that the player knows exactly what die rolls to force a re-roll on.
The Average Fortitude Save for a CR 12 enemy is +14.
Against just the assassinate, the monster has a 60% chance of surviving.
Against with the oracle's Misfortune, the monster has a 36% chance of surviving.
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What is the Eldritch Heritage Bonus here?
Looks like he's going for;
Shadowstrike (Sp): At 1st level, you can make a melee touch attack as a standard action that inflicts 1d4 points of nonlethal damage + 1 for every two sorcerer levels you possess. In addition, the target is dazzled for 1 minute. Creatures with low-light vision or darkvision are not dazzled by this ability. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier.
It's not a terrible idea, if you've got two feats to blow, or were planning on being a half-elf to get Skill Focus (Stealth) for free.
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Interesting. But let's go deeper.
First, players can't take the "Ability Focus" feat, as it is reserved for monsters.
This is debatable. Craft Construct is a prerequisite for a PrC, and available as a feat in a bloodline. I don't think it's special exemption for monster feats, so I would argue that if you met the prerequisites you could take ability focus.
What is the Eldritch Heritage Bonus here?
Shadowstrike (Sp): At 1st level, you can make a melee touch attack as a standard action that inflicts 1d4 points of nonlethal damage + 1 for every two sorcerer levels you possess. In addition, the target is dazzled for 1 minute. Creatures with low-light vision or darkvision are not dazzled by this ability. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier.
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Most of the following feats apply specifically to monsters, although some player characters might qualify for them (particularly Craft Construct).
Craft Construct does seem to be an exception, but the rules aren't terribly clear. The feats were certainly made for monsters, but I suppose some GMs would allow them.
Two feats for shadow strike seems like a pretty intense commitment for just a melee touch attack. Why not just take Ninja Trick-> Rogue Talent->Minor Magic and grab Acid splash? It's a ranged touch attack, easier to get, and you can get sneak attack on it.
I was using a CR 12 enemy because I saw the build had something for 11th level and assumed it went up to 12. My mistake.
The average CR 10 fortitude save is +12, I believe. Against a DC 23, that is exactly a 50% chance of surviving.
Fun build though.
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Those monster feats are absolutely legal for anyone who qualifies for them, even PCs. There is no rule ANYWHERE saying that they are reserved for monsters. Furthermore, there is a lot of support material reinforcing the notion that they ARE available ranging from construct creation rules for PCs in Ultimate Magic, to such feats appearing in heroic non-monster NPC stat blocks.
Then why are they called Monster Feats, and not -just- feats?
...because they weren't intended for non monster, maybe? Maybe?
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Interesting build - Ten levels to get there. More if you're taking Invisible Blade at 10 before you take Assassinate.
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"attempt automatically fails if the target recognizes the ninja as an enemy"
Your GM lets you have your fun once then all of a sudden all NPCs become hyper aware...and 10 levels of creative thought go down the drain to a paranoid GM.
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There is no reason why you couldnt take a monster-feat you qualify for. They are called monster feats because usually monsters qualify for those.
You dont need some kind of reputation to gain access to prestige classes, do you?
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You're hanging justification on the word, "usually"?
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I don't claim to know, but I don't follow the logic. They are called monster feats for a reason and I seriously doubt that it is because monsters usually qualify for them.
Looks like this was asked in 2012. *shrugs*
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nty0?Monster-Feats
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Perhaps you guys are correct. I don't see anything that explicitly says you can't take them. However, I'm not sure I see the justification behind putting the "Monster Feats" that don't require being a monster in this category.
In any case, it may be legal.
You dont need some kind of reputation to gain access to prestige classes, do you?
Amusingly, this very prestige class arguably requires a kind of reputation to gain access to. As does hellknight, field agent, Chevalier, etc. But your point is taken.
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Pretty sure the first sentence of the Monster Feat section makes them PC legal:
I am just going to throw this out there...
Humans, Elves, Dwarves,Gnomes, Halflings, Aasimars, Tieflings, ect. show up in the Beastiaries.... just saying....
And there is no real definition between "Monster" and "Not-Monster' besides typical Humanoid racism... just saying..
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PC's having monster feats leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But that's probably because I had a player once picking one, that he didn't qualify for, and broke my game.
Breaking the rules tend to have that effect...
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what is and what isn't a "special attack"?
Thoughts? I was wondering this too. Could you apply this to, say, Bardic Performance? Channeling? Stunning Fist? Spell Casting?
Looking at the universal monster rules, it seems that many rules go in "Location: Special Attacks." Is that what defines a Special Attack? If so, then can a class ever provide something that belongs in that section?
Looking through the NPC database, no NPC's have a "Special Attack" section. This leads me to believe that "special attacks" are not granted by classes, and are limited to those attacks granted by the universal monster rules. This leads me to believe that "Special Attacks" are only granted by a universal monster rule and that "Ability Focus" can only apply to those. The more I look into it, the more I believe this reading. So a PC could not take this feat as he lacks a "Special Attack."
As a side note, the combat section lists a "Specials attack" section which covers everything "other than normal attacks, casting spells, or using other class abilities." However, I get the sense this is more a grouping of convenience than definition.
Sorry to highjack this thread. It's important to the build, but if you want us to lay off, we can.
Wow, from assassin to humanoid racism within 13 posts. PC's having monster feats leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But that's probably because I had a player once picking one, that he didn't qualify for, and broke my game.
To somewhat get back on topic: Would the OP's build qualify for that feat though? It says "Special Attack", what is and what isn't a "special attack"?
a special attack is any offensive special quality that goes under extraordinary (Ex) or supernatural (Su) ability. so channeling, death attack, Hexes, and bardic performance are examples, but an attack, spell or spell like ability isn't.
PC classes most definitely have special attacks.
Just look at the NPC gallery in the PRD.
The following are the special attack lines for all of the 20th-level core-class characters in the gallery:
Barbarian: +1 on attack rolls against goblinoid and orc humanoids, mighty rage (50 rounds/day), rage powers (clear mind, fearless rage, increased damage reduction +3, internal fortitude, knockback, mighty swing, strength surge +20, superstition +7)
Bard: bardic performance 50 rounds/day (swift action; countersong, deadly performance, dirge of doom, distraction, fascinate, frightening tune, inspire competence +6, inspire courage +4, inspire greatness, inspire heroics, mass suggestion, soothing performance, suggestion)
Cleric: channel negative energy 6/day (DC 23, 10d6), hand of the acolyte (8/day)
Druid: +1 on attack rolls against goblinoid and orc humanoids, wild shape at will
Fighter: weapon mastery (falchion), weapon training (heavy blades +4, bows +3, axes +2, close +1)
Monk: flurry of blows, quivering palm (1/day, DC 27), stunning fist (20/day, DC 27)
Paladin: channel positive energy (DC 23, 60 points), smite evil 7/day (+3 attack and AC, +20 damage, banish evil outsiders)
Ranger: favored enemy (dwarves +4, elves +4, gnomes +2, humans +6, orcs +2)
Rogue: master strike (DC 23), sneak attack +10d6
Sorcerer: None shown, though certain bloodline abilities might qualify
Wizard: hand of the apprentice (12/day), metamagic mastery (7/day)
Just a few examples...
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Looking through the NPC database, no NPC's have a "Special Attack" section. This leads me to believe that "special attacks" are not granted by classes, and are limited to those attacks granted by the universal monster rules. This leads me to believe that "Special Attacks" are only granted by a universal monster rule and that "Ability Focus" can only apply to those. The more I look into it, the more I believe this reading. So a PC could not take this feat as he lacks a "Special Attack."
The NPC Codex supplies a trove of information on this, all it contains are characters, all built as players would be but shown with monster stat blocks. Virtually anything you might think would be a special ability (and a lot more) IS listed as one in their stats under 'Special Ability' or 'Special Attacks';
Rage, Rage Powers, Dwarf Hatred, Bardic Performance, Channeling, Smite, Weapon Training, Flurry, Stunning Fist, Quivering Palm, Favoured Enemy, Sneak Attack, Master Strike, Bloodline Claws (and other some Bloodline powers, others are listed under SLA confusingly enough), Enhance Arrows (Arcane archer), Death Attack (Assassin), Breath Weapon (Dragon Disciple), Precise Strike, Wild Shape, Spell Synthesis and more.
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You're hanging justification on the word, "usually"?
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I don't claim to know, but I don't follow the logic. They are called monster feats for a reason and I seriously doubt that it is because monsters usually qualify for them.Looks like this was asked in 2012. *shrugs*
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nty0?Monster-Feats
Multiattack, a particularly "monstrous" monster feat (being that it requires three or more natural attacks something usually reserved for "monsters"), is PFS legal for Player characters to take.