One, the Zen Archer vs. AM BARBARIAN, ragelancepounce

[Smug Narcissist]

True Seeing doesn't work against Mind Blank, and casting a quickened true strike isn't really a problem at 20th level.

[andreww]

Crosswind wrote:

andreww wrote:

Crosswind wrote:

Limburger, who only fails that save on a roll of 3 or less, and bludgeons all the Beastmass challenges to death with punchification (only being hit by any of them on a natural 20), feels sad about being dismissed.

-Cross

The caster entrants mock Limburgers inability to locate them while invisible and mind blanked and then kill him with no save spells.

...Limburger happens to be a full caster too. He has access to many, many castings of true seeing. It should be mentioned that he ain't going to fail a save, and without a quickened true strike, people aren't really going to hit him with touch attacks. =)

The lesson, of course, is that no conversation about silly broken characters is complete without the synthesist summoner.

-Cross

True Seeing doesn't penetrate Mind Blank and only has a range of 120' in any event. Also he isn't a proper full caster what with only have 6 levels of spells. He gets access to a small number of high level spells but nothing like the full range. At the spell perfection level quickened true strike combined with a few enervations kills him. Or just the limited wish duplicating Geas.

Silly summoners thinking they can compete...:)

[Suthainn]

yumad wrote:

andreww wrote:

yumad wrote:

I believe one of the feat choices or the order of them are illegal and he loses a little bit to the DC there, plus some of the items are extremely specific like requiring a full moon or whatever.

Still not as cheesy as using an eidolon as a mount though, X vs AM BARBARIAN is actually a 1v2, not a 1v1.

His feat order is entirely legal. The only situational thing is the quite irrelevant Moon Circlet which is adding to caster level. Given he is auto beating SR without it he really doesn't need it.

1st Eldritch Heritage

3rd Skill Focus: Knowledge (Planes)
5th Spell Penetration
7th Greater Spell Penetration
9th Varisian tattoo
11th Eldritch Heritage
13th Quicken Spell
15th Improved Eldritch Heritage
17th Greater Eldritch Heritage
19th Reach Spell

There are only two metamagic feats here yet he has spell perfection, the build is not legal. I thought there was some loss of DC, but I forget why.

Edit: You outlined it already, spell perfection on non-feat bonuses.

Double Edit: I don't actually see how he got to 47 anyway, caster level increases don't add to DC.

If you care to read all that thread he does eventually fix the mistakes after they were pointed out to him, it still destroys everything with Mass Suffocate.

His other character, Gatling is also worth a look for a martial trying the same challenge via double hackbutt ridiculousness!

[Carmeilliken]

andreww wrote:

Carmeilliken wrote:

(V-8 slap) ... Bingo! Thank you, Imbicatus. Sometimes the simplest of solutions eludes me.

This doesn't quite work. trick Shot specifies that it allows you to ignore total cover, it doesn't say that you can send the arrow in whatever direction you want. Neither Wind Wall nor Fickle Winds provide total cover, the simply automatically negate archery attacks. As such a strict reading means trick shot does nothing for you. You could take a more liberal reading of trick and fickle winds still stops you as there is no indication that the cylinder of air is open at the top or bottom.

I just re-read Trick Shot and as Imbicatus brought up it does work. Trick Shot says that, "By spending 3 points, he can ignore total cover, even firing arrows around corners." If one can fire around a corner one should be able to arc it up and over the wall. Sounds like a reasonable interpretation to me.

[Grizzly the Archer]

Trick shot from Zen Archer:

At 11th level, a zen archer may hit targets that he might otherwise miss. By spending 1 point from his ki pool as a swift action, the zen archer can ignore concealment. By spending 2 points, he can ignore total concealment or cover. By spending 3 points, he can ignore total cover, even firing arrows around corners. The arrow must still be able to reach the target; a target inside a closed building with no open doors or windows cannot be attacked. These effects last for 1 round.

I see no reason why the zen archer couldn't shoot around the fickle winds or wind wall.

[HaraldKlak]

Grizzly the Archer wrote:

Trick shot from Zen Archer:

At 11th level, a zen archer may hit targets that he might otherwise miss. By spending 1 point from his ki pool as a swift action, the zen archer can ignore concealment. By spending 2 points, he can ignore total concealment or cover. By spending 3 points, he can ignore total cover, even firing arrows around corners. The arrow must still be able to reach the target; a target inside a closed building with no open doors or windows cannot be attacked. These effects last for 1 round.

I see no reason why the zen archer couldn't shoot around the fickle winds or wind wall.

The 'wall' is invisible, and he has no way of knowing where to shoot around it...

For all he know, it is around the wizard, but it could be around himself.

On top of this (given it is ruled either way), it is easily fixed by the wizard with another wall spell, or simply being invisible, which the archer cannot do anything about.

[Cap. Darling]

If folks could post the characters they talk about instead of just saying a name i would be able to contribute a bit more.
And back to the OP. The reason AM have a good chance of winning is that he will kill ONE if he is allowed to charge( and hit 2 times) he, or rater his Mount, have a very high perception skill and flying move and pounce allow full attack in the suprice round.