I'd like for my character to be able to use a wooden sword even though there aren't any specific rules for it, so I was wondering if I could get some help in the regard.
Could I just get a longsword made of wood and it'd just have the same stats as one save for only dealing bludgeoning damage? Or would I have to completely homebrew this?
I think a bludgeoning longsword is a fair item to ask for. It would just be considered wood for all purposes (sundering primarily), but I don't see an issue with it.
If you're going for realism, then it should probably do less damage (maybe 1d4 or 1d6) and have a break chance. If you're not going for realism (which is completely fine), yeah just make it bludgeoning damage.
Alternatively, you could make it out of magic wood and not have to worry about realism. If that's the case, then using the same stats with bludgeoning damage seems fine.
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Well, if my thread on metal clubs is any hint on how this thread will end up going, then expect people to call you out as a cheaty-face, doody-head, munchkin, cheese-rapist.
Sorry about that.
So, your options are an improvised weapon, with flavoring, or be a Druid, and use the Ironwood spell, by current board standards.
That seems reasonable.
I'd probably remove the coup-de-grace bonus too from a wooden katana. Doesn't really make sense with it I'd imagine.
Yeah, sorry, I was still going by my "katana but bludgeoning" idea.
making it a club is probably the best idea anyways. Simple enough.
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You can find the "rules" in the Transmute Metal to Wood spell description.
This spell enables you to change all metal objects within its area to wood. Weapons, armor, and other metal objects carried by creatures are affected as well. A magic object made of metal effectively has Spell Resistance equal to 20 + its caster level against this spell. Artifacts cannot be transmuted. Weapons converted from metal to wood take a -2 penalty on attack and damage rolls. The armor bonus of any armor converted from metal to wood is reduced by 2. Weapons changed by this spell splinter and break on any natural attack roll of 1 or 2, and armor changed by this spell loses an additional point of armor bonus every time it is struck with a natural attack roll of 19 or 20.
A friend of mine suggested just to get a club and make it one size larger so it would become a two handed weapon and dealing d8
A friend of mine suggested just to get a club and make it one size larger so it would become a two handed weapon and dealing d8
The only problem with this is; the Katana is a one and a half sword, like the bastard sword.
Martial characters can use it as a 2 handed weapon already, and 1 handed if they are trained in its use.
Making it a two-handed weapon altogether would be strictly a two-handed weapon.
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Dark Sun from 2E had rules for alternative weapons like bone and wood, and 4E does as well. Believe it goes something like:
2E: if roll max damage (or crit?), 5% chance the weapon shatters.
4E: If roll a 1, break
4E: Other option, if roll fumble, may take miss or reroll. If reroll and miss, weapon breaks.
This assumes you built your weapon with the intent it be made of wood and not having it morphed, at which point it should be very inferior. The weapons didn't do any different type of damage (e.g. a sword did not do bludgeon). That would more fit into the rules for the -4 penalty for "flat blading."
I'd like for my character to be able to use a wooden sword even though there aren't any specific rules for it, so I was wondering if I could get some help in the regard.
Could I just get a longsword made of wood and it'd just have the same stats as one save for only dealing bludgeoning damage? Or would I have to completely homebrew this?
There are rules under special-materials:
Pazio:3pp:/cevah
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The greatest swordsman in Earth history, Musashi Miyamoto, made heavy use of wooden swords. He argued that, in some circumstances, wooden swords were superior to metal ones.
Sure, just treat a wooden sword as a club, stat-wise.
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Take Profession weapon trainer(1) then Rough and Ready trait. Now you can use practice swords as a real weapon and get a +1 to hit too.
A club is a FREE, simple weapon that does a respectable 1d6 damage. That can also be thrown.
If your rules for a wooden sword end up being worse (attack penalties, fragile quality, other crap people have suggested) than what a freaking club would be, you 'dun screwed up.
I'd say it would be identical to the sword it's mimicking (so 1d8 for a wooden version of a longsword), except bludgeoning and crit range changes to 20/x2. That's enough of a nerf.
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The greatest swordsman in Earth history, Musashi MiyamotoWho did he beat to win this title? ;-)
The 60 men he dueled in his lifetime.
I'd knock wooden weapons down a size damage dice
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Know of any Vikings who duelled 70 men? Gladiators who fought 80 men? Aztec chieftains who slew 100 men? Amazing what publicity you can get just because you write a book...The 60 men he dueled in his lifetime.The greatest swordsman in Earth history, Musashi MiyamotoWho did he beat to win this title? ;-)
They should have written some books then.
Dark Sun from 2E had rules for alternative weapons like bone and wood, and 4E does as well. Believe it goes something like:
2E: if roll max damage (or crit?), 5% chance the weapon shatters.
4E: If roll a 1, break
4E: Other option, if roll fumble, may take miss or reroll. If reroll and miss, weapon breaks.This assumes you built your weapon with the intent it be made of wood and not having it morphed, at which point it should be very inferior. The weapons didn't do any different type of damage (e.g. a sword did not do bludgeon). That would more fit into the rules for the -4 penalty for "flat blading."
Dark Sun from 2E had an environment that hardly had any metal in it. The Dark Sun campaign had to use alternate materials to construct weapons and armor. So leather and chittin plates (insect carapace) were used instead. And bone, obsidian and wooden weapons were used instead. Swords were scarce and clubs, maces and spears more common.
I'd say a wooden longsword would just go down a die in damage. 1d6, 19-20/x2 Slashing.
Similarly, a metal club would go up one damage die.
Except that you can't keep an edge on a wooden blade. The damage would be bludgeoning, not slashing (splinters notwithstanding.)
However you stat up the original, just make sure that if you continue through enough levels using only your wooden sword, that the GM eventually rewards you with this.
How would people here on the boards price a bokken or other wooden-version of a sword? As a club, 0 GP? Or a higher price since at least some craftsmanship was put into it? Maybe half price of original weapon?
How would people here on the boards price a bokken or other wooden-version of a sword? As a club, 0 GP? Or a higher price since at least some craftsmanship was put into it? Maybe half price of original weapon?
If it's going to have the same stats as the club, it should have the same price as the club. If I'm getting a club for 20g 25g, it'd better be better than your run-of-the-mill club. Otherwise, you really are better off just using a club.
A friend of mine suggested just to get a club and make it one size larger so it would become a two handed weapon and dealing d8
the weight of a wooden sword would be much less than a club, so less damage would be much more appropriate than more damage. It would be more like a light club, Id say d4 honestly. It would be easy to knock someone out with a baseball bat but pretty hard with a practice sword.
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Here's a thought. Is a bokken simply a masterwork club?
Pretty much, although it's not weighted for throwing. Using katana feats and club stats is just fine. A club is still a good weapon, and is better than a katana when fighting anything with DR/Bludgeoning.
Otherwise, a Druid or Wood Oracle with Ironwood can make a very effective wooden katana.
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A friend of mine suggested just to get a club and make it one size larger so it would become a two handed weapon and dealing d8the weight of a wooden sword would be much less than a club, so less damage would be much more appropriate than more damage. It would be more like a light club, Id say d4 honestly. It would be easy to knock someone out with a baseball bat but pretty hard with a practice sword.
You've obviously never used a good bokken or waster. A bokken or waster is made of dense hardwood and is more than capable of breaking bones.
It's a hell of a lot more dangerous than SCA rattan swords and I know many people who have had arms broken from a SCA sword hit while wearing plate armor.
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It's a hell of a lot more dangerous than SCA rattan swords and I know many people who have had arms broken from a SCA sword hit while wearing plate armor.
It sounds like jimibones83 confused bokken and shinnai. Bokken is a hardwood practice sword that is quite a lethal weapon. Shinai is a rattan practice sword engineered to minimize damage on a hit.
Regarding Musashi, interested readers should check out his history. In addition to the book he wrote, there are also numerous historical accounts of his activities. It's not like he made stuff up. Musashi participated in (and won) 60 duels. He also participated in many less orderly fights and battles, including surviving being on the losing side of the battle of Sekigahara. No one knows how many foes Musashi slew in battle - he even lost track. The most noteworthy thing about this famous swordsman is probably that he died of old age.
The Samurai Trilogy are three Masterwork films about the [highly dramatized and not historically accurate] life of Miyamoto Musashi. My favorite is Part II, Duel at Ichijoji Temple [youtube]. In it, Musashi accepts an honorable challenge that is actually an ambush. 80 Samurai, some with guns and bows, attack him many-on-one. Musashi slays many, runs away, and survives without serious wounds. This incident actually happened, as it was recorded by numerous people, and marked with fall of a great sword school.