Mage Armor and Shield


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Silver Crusade

Hey PF People,

I am wondering if the Mage Armor and Shield spells stack to a +8 AC and if its worth spending two rounds/just doing mage armor way before combat buffing. (Im level 2)

Thanks
Primus


Early levels if it looks like you'll be caught.. not too bad.
Though you need to look at what else you can do since at low levels you don't have a lot of spells per day.
My low level sorc would often use them when in a largerfight and rely on his low blast sorcer e bloodline ability.

Mage armour is more worth than shield though, due to time. Armor is hours so potentially a few fights. Shield is mins so less likely


Mage armor provides an armor bonus. Shield provides a shield bonus. Because they are different bonuses (and cleverly named) they do stack.

Mage armor also lasts 1 hour/level. So you should have cast it before the encounter started.

I'll let others decide if it is worth it.


Yes, th stack. One is a shield bonus and one is an armor bonus. At level 2 i dont think the slots are worth it for shield as it just lasts two minutes, but mage armor is always a solid option.

Sczarni

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It's probably not worth two rounds. I'd use one or the other. If you use Mage Armor often outside of combat, or if you sneak around enough and know when danger is coming, you should be able to keep it on you most of the day, and use Shield once you go into battle, thus saving you a standard.


They do stack but shield is the less useful of the two as it has a much shorter duration but it does stop magic missiles cast at you so would probably be hood to keep on scroll as back up

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Mage Armor is the staple defense for mages until level 13+. You should cast it well ahead of time and be walking around with it. Not until very late levels, when you've exhausted all your AC increasing tactics and finally start with Bracers+5 do you give up casting Mage Armor.

Shield is more specialized, being a big AC increaser and defense against magic missiles. If you're going up against incorporeal enemies, it is invaluable. Otherwise, you hopefully shouldn't need it most of the time, and can use that slot for something else.

==Aelryinth

Silver Crusade

Yep alright. Cause casting mage armor sends me up to 20 AC. So ill bee good probably anyway.

Thanks guys

Primus


Get yourself a lesser rod of extend spell, once you get to a decent level to afford it. Cast Mage Armor in the morning and you're good to go all day. Then your Mage Armor/Shield combo only takes one round to cast. But as Aelryinth said, you probably only need it in some more specific circumstances.


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Primus Agnarok wrote:

Yep alright. Cause casting mage armor sends me up to 20 AC. So ill bee good probably anyway.

Thanks guys

Primus

Ze alarm bells, zey ring!

A 2nd level wizard with a non-buffed AC of 16? Mind if I ask how?

Silver Crusade

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I am going to guess he is wearing armor... and trying to cast mage armor.

Just in case I am guessing correctly I will go ahead an say that scenario does NOT work. Mage Armor does not stack with regular armor.

If I am wrong then ignore me and carry on...


Small character, Dex of 18 & Dodge feat? It could certainly be done...

Silver Crusade

Chemlak wrote:
Primus Agnarok wrote:

Yep alright. Cause casting mage armor sends me up to 20 AC. So ill bee good probably anyway.

Thanks guys

Primus

Ze alarm bells, zey ring!

A 2nd level wizard with a non-buffed AC of 16? Mind if I ask how?

Hm. sorry that would be 3rd level (+3 dex, +1 natural armor(bloodline), +2 lamellar cuirass.) 5% spell failure chance. although now tempest has me wondering if they stack or not.


Chemlak wrote:
Primus Agnarok wrote:

Yep alright. Cause casting mage armor sends me up to 20 AC. So ill bee good probably anyway.

Thanks guys

Primus

Ze alarm bells, zey ring!

A 2nd level wizard with a non-buffed AC of 16? Mind if I ask how?

10 base + 2 dex + 4 mage armor + 4 shield spell = 20

Personally, I would lean towards using neither. A 2nd level wizard has ~3 first level spells a day. At that point you are better off with your crowd control spells (sleep, grease, colorspray). In addition, the average CR 1 monster is rocking, ~+2 to hit. Unless you are looking to tank (probably not wise given your total hps), then a ~50% chance to be missed on the random attacks will probably be fine.

Once you hit 5th level or so and have to lean on your 1st level spells a bit less I favor mage armor (preferably with an extend rod.) As others have said, it has the same effect as shield, but is useful for much longer. Using said extend rod means that you can cast it at the start of the day and that way have to spend zero rounds buffing your defense.

Mage armor will NOT stack with laminar armor.


The best armor bonus applies, they dont stack.

Silver Crusade

Dangit. Alright. My AC wouldve been amazing. I can cast 5 lvl 1 spells per day cause high charisma allows you that. Hm. So should i ditch my armor? I hate to do rely on spells for stuff. I mean, i could just not bother with mage armor at all. or use it to bring to 18 AC and ignore lamellar?

Silver Crusade

Alright then from what daenar says, ill wear lamellar and use mage armor sparingly because +2 AC is sorta worth a spell, sorta not. but shield would be alot more useful now that i now that those 2 dont stack.


Wouldnt wear armor without arcane armor training. With +2 dex, mage armor and shield your ac is 20. Why go lower AND accept spell failure chance?

Silver Crusade

+3 dex i have, and i dont want to have to cast 2 spells really. 5% spell fail is near nothing in my oppinion. And shield hm idk i might just have it but no i think ill stick with my armor.

Silver Crusade

basically 16 AC without having to use buff spells is preferable. id love to be wearing mithral parade armor because 5% fail is low i think and +3 no check penalty. My problem although it may not be much of one is that for arcane armor training it requires a swift action, and if thats no problem, i also need the light armor proficiency feat to get it.

Scarab Sages

You don't need armor proficiency to wear armor. If you are not proficient, the ACP applies to your attack rolls. If you are using armor with an ACP of 0, there is no penalty. Or, if you are not bothering with attack rolls, or even if you are only making attacks vs touch AC, the penalty isn't that bad for most light armor, especially if its made out of mithral.

The Armor Expert trait can be invaluable for this, as it reduces the ACP of all armor by one.

Silver Crusade

Well, as was stated earlier Mage Armor and Armor do not stack. You take whichever is best. In your case casting Mage Armor would override your Lamellar.

You have a lot of options on how you go forward:

1. Wear your armor (accepting the spell failure chance) and cast shield as needed. Forego mage armor all together
2. Wear your armor and cast shield and/or mage armor as needed. Mage Armor would override your armor in this case
3. Sell your armor and cast Mage Armor as your primary defense. You are a sorcerer with several 1st level spells per day. You are 3rd level so it is lasting 3 hours a shot. Two castings should more than get you through an adventuring day (hell, one casting should get your through a "Standard Adventuring Day *tm"). Cast Shield as needed.
4. Wear amor, cast shield as required. Keep Mage Armor on the back burner for defense vs. incorporeal stuff that bypasses your regular armor but can't by pass Mage Armor.
5. Probably several other optoins that I am simply not thinking of at the moment...

Final note... the spell failure chance will seem like "nothing" until it isn't. I am not saying don't wear amor. I have in the past, and will again in the future, wear armor on casters and take a chance with spell failure. Just pointing out that, per Murphy's Law, it will come up... and when it does it will suck. ;)

Silver Crusade

He did not say that he needed armor proficiency to wear armor. He said that he needed armor proficiency to take the feat Arcane Armor.

Silver Crusade

Yep, thats why im wearing lamellar +2 AC max dex +4 and Check Pen is -. the proficiency i mentioned is the prereq for arcane armor training. I dont want to spend two feats to lower my spell failure chance. i mean, if i were to do that and used an armor with 30% fail chance made it mithral and used Arcane armor master or whatever(making it 3 feats) i could send it to 0%. but by then i might want to use quicken spell. cause ill be high level enough. so swift action will be used elsewhere.

Silver Crusade

yeah haha i go cast mage armor and my armor makes me fail dumbest case ever. But, thanks tempest i will probably go with num 4.

Primus


A sensible approach might be to walk around in your cuirass but if you know you are approaching danger, stop and take if off, then cast Mage Armor. Then you have your full AC and no spell fail chance for the next few hours.

Silver Crusade

haha yeah, that crossed my mind, but i think it takes some time to do that.

Scarab Sages

At very low levels the combination is solid. Because most non-boss mob's have low damage and low attack rolls, you can use this combo to literally wade into combat up until level 4 or so. After that you are soft and squishy enough to just hang back and blast, but since you have plenty of spells to cast, that works out well.

I play a teleportation conjurer who would wear this combo at low levels and draw his dagger and move up to a bad guy, then teleport behind him. This gave the rogue a sneak-attack buddy, and a flanking bonus.

As I go up in levels this will become less and less useful, because my chance to get hit goes up, but the relatively high AC of the combo was good for a few levels at least.

As a sorcerer, you probably want to keep both until you get bracers of ac 4 or better. You probably don't need the shield spell either - just take a wand of shield, and you can cast it in fights against other casters to protect against magic missile (or get a broach of shielding).

Liberty's Edge

At low levels I would recommend a wand of mage armor, at least in PFS play. Use it when walking into a dangerous area. By the time it runs out, you'll be high enough level for a single casting to lastan entire adventuring day, with a lesser extend rod.


Ditch the armour and use the spell as it effects incorporal monsters attacks as well .
Scribe a few scrolls or buy a wand if you can afford it

Grand Lodge

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At level 2, you really should make a point of being tactically cautious, high AC is okay, not being near anything swinging is even better. I recognize you can't keep the attack to nearly nil, but at low levels, you should be fine in Mage Armor and dex, and forgo shield which doesn't have the duration. Especially as a sorcerer with limited spells known.


Mage armor and shield will always be best at low levels, mages dont wear armor for a reason :p

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