Precise Shot at level 1


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I have a half-elf ranger in our group who swears he found online where it states he can take precise shot at level one. i disagree and cant find any wording or ruling that would allow a ranger to take precise shot at level 1.
obviously if he was a human he could take point blank then precise but he is half elf so just the 1 feat. if anyone has anything to say id appreciate it.


Sure, if his 1st level is fighter.


The obvious solution is to tell him to provide you with the URL, otherwise no go.


Not unless you're allowing him to give up Hero Points or both traits for a feat.

Only class I can think of off the top of my head that actually gets Precise Shot as a bonus feat at 1st level is the Divine Hunter archetype for paladin.


In all honesty I'm not interely clear what the question is. Precise shot is a feat with one prerequisite of point blank shot. It is not difficult to qualify for as long as a character is some combination that provides two feats.

Anything human or a fighter of any race are the two easiest examples.


Since he's playing a half elf ranger, he gets neither of those.


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Or a zen archer monk can get it


I don't see a legal method to do so. No archetypes grant Point-Blank Shot as a bonus feat, and there's no alternate racial traits that let you swap Skill Focus for it either.

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Nephril wrote:

I have a half-elf ranger in our group who swears he found online where it states he can take precise shot at level one. i disagree and cant find any wording or ruling that would allow a ranger to take precise shot at level 1.

obviously if he was a human he could take point blank then precise but he is half elf so just the 1 feat. if anyone has anything to say id appreciate it.

You're right, he's wrong. There's nothing else to say unless you've left out something.


He might be thinking about his combat style feat, but it's at second level.

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"Half-elf ranger" is pretty specific - there's no workaround with that race and that class.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
LazarX wrote:
Nephril wrote:

I have a half-elf ranger in our group who swears he found online where it states he can take precise shot at level one. i disagree and cant find any wording or ruling that would allow a ranger to take precise shot at level 1.

obviously if he was a human he could take point blank then precise but he is half elf so just the 1 feat. if anyone has anything to say id appreciate it.
You're right, he's wrong. There's nothing else to say unless you've left out something.

Also whenever someone swears they've "found something online", it's their onus to show it to you or it doesn't exist.


Not possible. There are several ways to get Precise Shot by level 1 (fighter / zen archer / human / etc.), the ranger can pick it up by level 2 (crossbow fighting style from APG).


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In the future, he should be here asking for it to show you at the game, not you going around asking to prove it does or doesn't exist.


If I had to guess, your player is conflating the Half-Elf quality that they count as both Human and Elf to mean that they get all the Racial traits that both Humans and Elves get in addition to those unique to Half-Elves. Advise him that, as a H-Elf he doesn't automatically get the Human bonus feat or any other trait listed under the Human entry but not under H-Elf, nor does he get automatic proficiency with all Elven weapons, bows, etc.

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thanks i couldnt find a way to do it but i figured id check here first.


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I'm curious how the conversation went.

"Hey I found this way to take precise shot at level 1 with my Half-Elf Ranger."
"Oh yeah, cool! What is it?"
"Um, The Internet -- yeah, that's the ticket."
"What/where on the internet?"
"THE INTERNET, OKAY!?!?! Stop grilling me!"


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MyTThor wrote:

I'm curious how the conversation went.

"Hey I found this way to take precise shot at level 1 with my Half-Elf Ranger."
"Oh yeah, cool! What is it?"
"Um, The Internet -- yeah, that's the ticket."
"What/where on the internet?"
"THE INTERNET, OKAY!?!?! Stop grilling me!"

"Because Internet" is a citation that should always be questioned. ;)


Xaratherus wrote:
MyTThor wrote:

I'm curious how the conversation went.

"Hey I found this way to take precise shot at level 1 with my Half-Elf Ranger."
"Oh yeah, cool! What is it?"
"Um, The Internet -- yeah, that's the ticket."
"What/where on the internet?"
"THE INTERNET, OKAY!?!?! Stop grilling me!"

"Because Internet" is a citation that should always be questioned. ;)

Especially if you're Timmy Turner's parents.


Zhayne wrote:
Xaratherus wrote:
MyTThor wrote:

I'm curious how the conversation went.

"Hey I found this way to take precise shot at level 1 with my Half-Elf Ranger."
"Oh yeah, cool! What is it?"
"Um, The Internet -- yeah, that's the ticket."
"What/where on the internet?"
"THE INTERNET, OKAY!?!?! Stop grilling me!"

"Because Internet" is a citation that should always be questioned. ;)
Especially if you're Timmy Turner's parents.

Timmy's dad: Where did you get that car\robot\laser cannon\cybernetic replica of Abraham Lincoln?

Timmy: Uhh . . . the Internet?

Timmy's dad: Works for me!


I suspect it came from the original wording of the adopted trait allowed a player to select a racial trait from the adopted race (see this post), which was often incorrectly read to include allowing a half-elf to get a bonus feat as an adopted human. This has been changed for clarity and now the adopted race trait refers to "race traits" instead of "racial traits".


cnetarian wrote:

I suspect it came from the original wording of the adopted trait allowed a player to select a racial trait from the adopted race (see this post), which was often incorrectly read to include allowing a half-elf to get a bonus feat as an adopted human. This has been changed for clarity and now the adopted race trait refers to "race traits" instead of "racial traits".

Or perhaps the Unearthed Arcana Flaws system.


Sarrah wrote:
Not possible. There are several ways to get Precise Shot by level 1 (fighter / zen archer / human / etc.), the ranger can pick it up by level 2 (crossbow fighting style from APG).

Also Divine Hunter (paladin), and the original Archery combat style from Core.

(For longbow-wielding rangers, though, Crossbow style is oddly the better choice, because you get all the normal feats and Deadly Aim as options. Since Archery style was built before Deadly Aim existed, that feat isn't available for Archery style.)

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