So I'm thinking of an eldrich Kight build (Assimar early entry fighter 1 wizard 1) and I was thinking about where to go after EK ends. I was thinking Hellknight, but now I'm considering Dragon diciple instead. The only thing is I don't know if I could qualify barring a dip. Dipping is not something I'm going to do so that's off the table. However there are two ways I thought to qualify despite being a prepared caster:
1: Ideally my arcane bonded ring would qualify me as it allows me to cast first level spells without preparation.
2: Plan B is to take the feat Heavenly Radiance, which allows more uses of daylight, and more importantly allows the casting of different spells. I would take flare burst, a useless spell, but it's a first level spell I can cast without preparation, so...
Do either of these work? Thanks in advance.
I would say no, the only classes I have ever seen getting into dragon disciple are bard, sorcerer, and summoner. That is because they can cast spells spontaneously as a class feature. This does however seem like it could be up to interpretation. I would ask your DM what he thinks and just go from there. I don't know if anyone from paizo ever thought about that method of getting this prestige class.
I would say no, the only classes I have ever seen getting into dragon disciple are bard, sorcerer, and summoner. That is because they can cast spells spontaneously as a class feature. This does however seem like it could be up to interpretation. I would ask your DM what he thinks and just go from there. I don't know if anyone from paizo ever thought about that method of getting this prestige class.
Any feat or class ability that allows you to use SLAs would qualify you as well, as an FAQ last year stated that you could qualify for PrCs using SLAs as "ability to cast Xth level spells".
I'm not certain about tactic 1; it's definitely a spell, and it smells 'spontaneous', but to me your bonded object smells more like a wand than you actually spontaneously casting a spell.
Tactic 2 would definitely work. (Note: I'm of the school of thought that because an SLA requires no prayer or study of a book before use, it counts as 'spontaneous' rather than prepared; however, I don't think we have an official ruling on that yet)
In regards to 1) my first thought is no. It doesnt really seem like the general intent of how the game defines spontanious casting.
In regards to 2, geting an SLA works fine but i think you need a lvl 1 SLA to meet dragon disciples 'cast first level spells spontaniously' requirement.
In regards to 2, geting an SLA works fine but i think you need a lvl 1 SLA to meet dragon disciples 'cast first level spells spontaniously' requirement.
The feat he mentioned - Heavenly Radiance - allows him to burn a use of his racial Daylight to cast a different spell as an SLA instead. The list he can choose from includes Flare Burst, which is a 1st-level spell.
I would say no, the only classes I have ever seen getting into dragon disciple are bard, sorcerer, and summoner. That is because they can cast spells spontaneously as a class feature. This does however seem like it could be up to interpretation. I would ask your DM what he thinks and just go from there. I don't know if anyone from paizo ever thought about that method of getting this prestige class.Any feat or class ability that allows you to use SLAs would qualify you as well, as an FAQ last year stated that you could qualify for PrCs using SLAs as "ability to cast Xth level spells".
I'm not certain about tactic 1; it's definitely a spell, and it smells 'spontaneous', but to me your bonded object smells more like a wand than you actually spontaneously casting a spell.
Tactic 2 would definitely work. (Note: I'm of the school of thought that because an SLA requires no prayer or study of a book before use, it counts as 'spontaneous' rather than prepared; however, I don't think we have an official ruling on that yet)
Bonded object specifically says that you cast the spell, and specifically says you cast it without preparation.
Also keep in mind guys that Dragon disciple does not say that you need to be able to cast spells spontaneously, it says you need to be able to cast spells without preparation.
I could be wrong about the bonded object's spell coming from you, but it is a class feature, and it is described as a Spell-like.
Hrm, you're right, Hogeyhead. Although that's a bit of a technicality; I've always taken "without preparation" to be equivalent to "spontaneous", since the book only outlines two methods of casting spells. But Arcane Bond does say you cast it,and without preparation...
I still think that the path of least resistance would still be route 2; you'd have less of a chance of encountering table variation since you can show a specific FAQ that says SLAs work, whereas to my knowledge none of those discussions mentioned arcane bonded items.