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Fair argument. So we have the same number of attacks (the two of the tiger's are more situational though) but:
Tiger: +2 bonus to Strenght (normalised to medium size) comperatively to the Dinonychus, grab ability, better stat adjustment unbuffed.
Dinonychus: +4 bonus to Con comperatively to the Tiger (normalised to medium size), scent ability, more reliable attack routine.
IMO at higher lvls (10+) Deinonychus still is worth more. But for the lower lvls, when you neither have so strong buffs, nore it is likely to have it buffed all the time (less castings), the Tiger is probably more useful. The lower lvls is when the grab ability is going to have merit too, at higher lvls grabing CR equivalent monsters is nearly impossible, so teh tiger loses much of its power (grab + 2 attacks).
But, you don't get to normalize to size, the Tiger's size is an important factor already.
Regardless though, which Oracle build allows for the Raptor anyway? Also, you are assuming then that the Oracle took nothing BUT buff spells, which is unlikely especially considering the lack of access to the Druid pet based buffs anyway.
The thread was already an apples and oranges type thing, and it seems like you are trying to throw in bananas now too.
Dual-Cursed should really just be mandatory on Oracles. The benefits versus drawbacks are just to great to not sign up for. And now that Trap Finder is a trait I don't even need to consider Seeker anymore.
Oranges are objectively superior to apples. Everyone knows that.
Edit for clarity: I am referring to the apples-to-oranges nature of this thread's comparison.
Oranges are objectively superior to apples. Everyone knows that.
Actually, it's bananas >>>>>>>>every other fruit. But yes, oranges are generally considered superior to apples. Until you want to make apple pie, then they are your second choice behind lemons.
save or dies rarely excite me on any spell list. Sure sometimes they are awesome, other times you just wasted an entire turn and a spell. The better healing and buffs is a great point though. That said my preferred Oracle is the Dark Tapestry mystery and the dual cursed archetype.
Come on, these are the paizo forums. . . every time you cast a Save or Die the enemy fails-- if your a Sorc/Wizard.
So you should factor that in--
Oracle= enemies automatically make every save.
Sorcerer= enemies automatically fail every save.
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I'd say that if you are honestly trying to decide between the two to play in a game I'd ask what the other characters are-- if there's already a Wizard then Oracle would bring more that the party is missing to the table, whereas if there's already a cleric Sorcerer fills out more holes.
Barring that, look at the spell lists and choose the class with the list you like better/want to use more.
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Oranges are objectively superior to apples. Everyone knows that.Actually, it's bananas >>>>>>>>every other fruit. But yes, oranges are generally considered superior to apples. Until you want to make apple pie, then they are your second choice behind lemons.
Tomato.
This fruit is consumed more often than any other fruit.
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Oranges are objectively superior to apples. Everyone knows that.Actually, it's bananas >>>>>>>>every other fruit. But yes, oranges are generally considered superior to apples. Until you want to make apple pie, then they are your second choice behind lemons.Tomato.
This fruit is consumed more often than any other fruit.
Depends on if you mean the botanical, legal, or culinary definition of fruit. In the botanical, it is a fruit. In the culinary, it is a vegetable. In the legal sense, it is a vegetable for US tax purposes. Since you mention consumption and not growing, context suggests culinary, in which case it is a vegetable.
Oracle pros include ways to get an extreme variety out of the same class depending on your mysteries that you choose. That and your BAB and hit points allow you to get into melee or at least not be afraid to deliver touch spells. Note I'm not saying they are 'better' just more diverse.
Sorcerer pros include nice bloodlines and in my opinion, not fact, are harder to screw up by disjointed builds and have a better spell list.